Posts by Vidqun

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sorry...but how do they not notice???

by oompa in

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that their bible is different from any bible anyone else reads in that it has added the name jehovah to the new testament greek scriptures??

when it is not there in any ancient manuscript????

i mean they put it there where it aint quoted at all....like all 12 times in revelation....i mean how can they not have a problem with that???

Vidqun

Here's part of an Appendix to something I wrote a while back. It deals with Jehovah's day and Christ's day:

In the LXX and CGS we encounter the phrase ?μ?ρα κυρ?ου “day of the Lord”. Contrary to common expectation, this phrase cannot always be equated with the “day of Jehovah”, i.e., Judgement Day. During this critical period, Jehovah will manifest his glory and might, destroy his enemies, and bring salvation to his people. This is an accute crisis, whereas “Christ’s day”, closely linked to his parousia, consists of an age or epoch.

In 2 Thes. 2:1, 2 the primary concern is the parousia of Christ and therefore the definitive manifestation of his glory. Obviously in Paul, as in the Gospels, and Revelation, Christ is the Lord of this ?μ?ρα . It is true that in Thes. we find only ?μ?ρα κυρ?ου , but in 1 and 2 Cor. this is sometimes enlarged to ?μ?ρα το? κυρ?ου ?με?ν ?ησο? , while in Phil. we have the simpler ?μ?ρα Χριστο? [?ησο?] (cf. TDNT, vol. II, pp. 951, 952).

The context of 2 Thes. 2:1, 2 points to Christ's day. See v. 1. Here the "day of Jehovah" is wrong.

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What is the stupidest comment you ever heard at a meeting?

by 3rdgen in

a very reliable friend told me this: the bro was commenting on what was "unacceptable" conduct in the bedroom between married persons.

needless to say, he had everyone's attention.

he went on to say "we must avoid perversions such as oral and annual sex.

Vidqun

Quite a while ago a brother read "Lexington" in stead of "Lexicon". The brother conducting the study (who had a good sense of humour) said under his breath: "After action, satisfaction, Lexington."

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WHY IT IS WRONG FOR ELDERS, MINISTERIAL SERVANTS AND PIONEERS TO SOCIALIZE WITH THE WEAK ONES!

by AvocadoJake in

there is a sister in our hall who has made it clear why her "jehovah" does not like weak ones.

her husband the po, will refuse to work with those who are not getting ten hours or more a month.

the weak ones "are spiritually dangerous and will bring you down.

Vidqun

Yes the Bible encourages us to assist the weak, like Jesus did. I have often wondered about this. Perhaps they do not follow the Bible?

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sincere question .....What could make you believe in God ?

by caliber in

please discuss why you don't believe in god and that which could convince you to believe in god ??

?.

Vidqun

Sorry, Compatibility View off. I personally believe in the existence of God because of prophecy. No man can accurately predict the future. Only God would be able to. So a good place to start for finding out whether God exists, is to study Bible prophecies. A definition of prophecy: History written in advance. God also gave prophecies for us to benefit ourselves. If you know of an impending disaster, you would be able to protect yourself if you had advance warning.

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sincere question .....What could make you believe in God ?

by caliber in

please discuss why you don't believe in god and that which could convince you to believe in god ??

?.

Vidqun

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Welcome Newbies & New Posters ! How has this Board Assisted You ?

by flipper in

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it's nice to have you here !

i found that this board was very supportive when i first got on it over 4 years ago .

i still find it supportive !

Vidqun

Favorite saying, "Say your say or forever hold your peace". I like to say my say. Here I can do it without "repercussions". Favorite scripture: 'Each one must work out his own salvation.' (Phil. 2:12)

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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism

by Vidqun in

believing in a god is a leap of faith.

being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.

i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.

Vidqun

Sorry Ubermensch, I have been busy, and did not focus on all the posts (I am quite new at this as you might have gathered). I started the post so that I can explain what I believe. Somebody asked. It was not on topic where we were, so I started a new thread. I like your example of gravity. Gravity and all the natural laws are in my mind good examples of absolute truth. Even a primitive person will know, if you dive off a cliff, you will do serious damage to yourself.

I believe that you can either believe in absolute truth or relativism. If you go for relativism, anything goes. You can do what you want, and will not be held accountable, because you can adjust the truth to suit your needs. Very dangerous indeed. This can lead to trouble.

Do you blame the Bible for all those things you mentioned? I'll rather blame the people perpetrating those deeds. Nothing to do with the Bible. If you follow Biblical principles, you will not go down that path. What I mean by the Bible being a powerful influence, take the Bible away and Western civilization would have gone down a different path.

I believe the Creator has absolute truth, and that He has incorporated some of this in His Book the Bible. One must just look for it. And if you find and apply it, it will go well with you (Prov. 2:1-5).

One of the reasons why I am interested in Bible prophecy is that the worldly governents are going to be destroyed. These must make way for God's kingdom (Dan 2:44, 45). When God does this, the survivors will understand what absolute truth is all about (cf. Hab. 2:14). Daniel asked, “what will be the final part of these things?” (cf. Dan. 12:8) The reference to “after(wards)” does not necessarily point to a chronological end, but “to show how history will culminate, thus its outcome” (cf. Dan. 2:28; TDOT, vol. I, p. 212). Such a biblical concept is not far-fetched at all. A similar view is held by political economist and author, Francis Fukuyama. In his 1992 book The End of History and the Last Man, he wrote: “What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: that is, the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.” This accords with what I have learnt from Bible prophecy.

Thanks EntirelyPossible for the advice. I know, one must live by faith, and not by sight. But it is always been a serious shortcoming of mine to try and explain things, to look for the logical explanation. And as I have found out, that's not always possible.

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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism

by Vidqun in

believing in a god is a leap of faith.

being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.

i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.

Vidqun

Sorry, that one didn’t work too well. Let’s try again:

(615b) (me?ûgâ) compass. Occurs only in Isa 44:13.

In Job 26:10 the Creator has "compassed the waters with bounds" (Kiv), or according to the more literal rendering of the RSV, "He has described a circle upon the face of the waters." This may mean the establishment of a boundary in the distance as the NEB, "He has fixed the horizon," or at the shore (cf. Job 38:8, 11). This is also the thought found in the use of the noun in Prov 8:27, "He set a compass upon the face of the depth" (KJV), which the NEB renders, "He girdled the ocean with the horizon."

Job 22:14 (KJV) declares that God "walketh in the circuit of heaven"; the "vault" of heaven is the expression used by the RSV, NAB, and NEB. The JB translates, "He prowls on the rim of the heavens."

Isaiah 40:22 (KJV) asserts that the Creator sits upon the "circle of the earth", a rendering retained by the ASV, RSV, and JB. The NAB has, "He sits enthroned above the vault of the earth," which the NEB amplifies as the "vaulted roof of the earth." NIV: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth." The poets of the OT describe their universe phenomenologically, i.e. as it appears to them standing on the earth and looking above and about. This perspective differs from that of modern scientific thought, which assumes a perspective beyond the earth. Both are accurate and useful according to their own perspectives.

Some have held that Isa 40:22 implies the sphericity of the earth. It may, but it may refer only to the Lord enthroned above the earth with its obviously circular horizon. Note the remarkable concept given in Job 26:7.

This quote has been taken from Harris’ Theologocial Wordbook of the Old Testament. Take note: “Both are accurate and useful according to their own perspectives.” In connection with Is. 40:22, I go for sphericity. That’s my privilege. Likle I said, to some a leap of faith, to some, grab and hold fast to what is fine. If one looks at the total picture, e.g. historicity, geographic accuracy, origin of races, practicle application, candor, the integrity of the witnesses, the Bible has a lot to offer. If you reject it, you will be poorer for it.

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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism

by Vidqun in

believing in a god is a leap of faith.

being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.

i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.

Vidqun

(615b)

???????? (m®µûgâ) compass. Occurs only in Isa 44:13.

In Job 26:10 the Creator has "compassed the waters with bounds" (Kiv), or according to the more literal rendering of the RSV, "He has described a circle upon the face of the waters." This may mean the establishment of a boundary in the distance as the NEB, "He has fixed the horizon," or at the shore (cf. Job 38:8, 11). This is also the thought found in the use of the noun in Prov 8:27, "He set a compass upon the face of the depth" (KJV), which the NEB renders, "He girdled the ocean with the horizon."

Job 22:14 (KJV) declares that God "walketh in the circuit of heaven"; the "vault" of heaven is the expression used by the RSV, NAB, and NEB. The JB translates, "He prowls on the rim of the heavens."

Isaiah 40:22 (KJV) asserts that the Creator sits upon the "circle of the earth" a rendering retained by the ASV, RSV, and JB. The NAB has, "He sits enthroned above the vault of the earth," which the NEB amplifies as the "vaulted roof of the earth." NIV: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth." The poets of the OT describe their universe phenomenologically, i.e. as it appears to them standing on the earth and looking above and about. This perspective differs from that of modern scientific thought, which assumes a perspective beyond the earth. Both are accurate and useful according to their own perspectives.

Some have held that Isa 40:22 implies the sphericity of the earth. It may, but it may refer only to the Lord enthroned above the earth with its obviously circular horizon. Note the remarkable concept given in Job 26:7.

This is a quote from Harris' Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament. Take note: "Both are accurate according to their own perspectives." In connection with Is. 40:22, I imply sphericity. That's my privilege. Like I said, to some a leap of faith. To me, grab and hold on to what is fine. If one looks at the total picture, e.g., historicity, geographic accuracy, origin of races, practicle application, candor, the integrity of witnesses,the Bible has a lot to offer. If you reject it, you will be poorer for it.

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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism

by Vidqun in

believing in a god is a leap of faith.

being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.

i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.

Vidqun

No, Zid, I am afraid it's you that don't know much about the origins of the Bible. Gen. 1:1: "In the beginning God created the heavens (sun, moon, and stars) and the earth." From an earthly observer light would have appeared on earth on day three. Remember now, the sun, moon, and stars have already created. And yes, this is not a literal day (cf. Gen. 2:4). On the fourth day "luminaries" appeared. Remember, these are the ones that have been created in v. 1. The writer uses the word "make" and not "create" as v. 1. There's a difference.

About the earth. Try these two scriptures. "he is stretching the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7). "There is One dwelling above the circle of the earth..." Not bad for men living thousands of years ago. No, the Bible is not a scientific text book, but it doesn't do too badly in that area. E.g. The congregator discusses the water cycle in Ecc. 1:7. Not bad for a primitive man!

What about the prophecies of Dan. 4 and Dan. 7. These predict the rise of empires, i.e., Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. And if you look carefully, you'll notice where we fit in. We are part of the feet and toes of iron and clay. And you don't have to be a believer to know that this image is going to fall down, "and not even the king or the kings men would be able to put it together again." This is good going, even for a supposedly Maccabean Jew, who is a lier and a fraudster, according to modern scholars.

Let's go over to Jerusalem and the Romans. Jesus predicted that the Romans would surround and destroy Jerusalem. This he did approximately 40 years before the destruction took place (cf. Luk. 21:20-24). Here he referred to Daniel's prophecy of the seventy weeks (Dan. 9:27). Here he refuted Maccabean interpretation of Daniel, which modern scholars cling to.

I can go on about the laws. One must not covet your neighbour's wife or possesions. Don't murder. Don't steal. Treat animals with kindness. Stick to your marriage mate. Don't sleep around, etc. But somehow, I don't think these arguments will appeal to the majority. Like Lars said, this is where faith comes in.