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Old family friend won't go away

by logical1 in

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my mom lives far away and still "holds vigilant" to her beliefs, but i hardly ever hear about her going to a meeting (always has an excuse).. her friend that lives near my uncles house (i am often at my uncles house visiting him) is always coming by making small talk with them to leave magazines.

it's kind of hilarious because not only i, but the entire house now hides in the back when she pulls in the driveway.

i told my uncle that even though it's the "easier way" he shouldn't accept the magazines, since thats an open invitation for her to come back.. i like to compare her to the crackhead that visists my house every so often.

logical1

My mom lives far away and still "holds vigilant" to her beliefs, but I hardly ever hear about her going to a meeting (always has an excuse).

Her friend that lives near my uncles house (I am often at my uncles house visiting him) is always coming by making small talk with them to leave magazines. It's kind of hilarious because not only I, but the entire house now hides in the back when she pulls in the driveway. I told my uncle that even though it's the "easier way" he shouldn't accept the magazines, since thats an open invitation for her to come back.

I like to compare her to the crackhead that visists my house every so often. He invites himself in, begs for beer and ciggs till someone finally gives him some, makes incoherent crackhead small talk with us (he thinks we are enjoying his engaging conversation and consider it a fair trade for the loss of our time and money) and leaves. Basically, by giving in to the begging crackhead (cuz it's easier) its the same thing as him just taking the magazine from her. I explained she has absolutely ZERO interest in their well being, which is obvious because she always morphs whatever stupid conversation shes having into a poorly transitioned watchtower introduction.

Next time she comes, if I'm there, I'm going to come to the door with the Wikipedia article on Russells tombstone up on my laptop and a hysterical smile on my face.

I submitted (this forum) to a directory

by logical1 in

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i work with some people that started a forum directory site.

it's in the process of growing (just barely launched this week) but they wanted me to help add to it, so i added jehovahs-witness.net to it.

if you guys want (and i would probably suggest) you can go and vote for the site (or leave a review for it).

logical1

I work with some people that started a forum directory site. It's in the process of growing (just barely launched this week) but they wanted me to help add to it, so I added jehovahs-witness.net to it. If you guys want (and I would probably suggest) you can go and vote for the site (or leave a review for it). The SEO is optimized in such a way that once the site gets popular it will probably rank pretty high when people search for "jehovahs witness forums" etc.

Anyway, I thought I would help out a friend, and at the same time it seems like a good way to expose this site to people who search for "jehovahs witnesses".

You can view the Jehovah's Witness category page and vote/review here: http://tinyurl.com/7nlkv5b

I used tinyurl to shorten the link, it shouldn't spam you (that I know of, if it does let me know and I will remove it)

As far as I know, all the other sites in that category are "apostate" too, but I think it would be pretty funny if a "pro-witness" site got on there and tried to start a forum voting war, needless to say they would probably lose :)

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I started a small blog with theories I have had over the years, would like input

by logical1 in

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i'm not going to post the link here as i both want it to be completely anonymous (no connection to me on any other website) and i don't want to violate forum rules.

they are theories i developed based on being raised as a jw and taking philosophy classes.

please reply to this if you'd like to check it out and give me feedback and i will pm you the link.. thanks.

logical1

edit: nevermind figured it out, reply sent

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I started a small blog with theories I have had over the years, would like input

by logical1 in

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i'm not going to post the link here as i both want it to be completely anonymous (no connection to me on any other website) and i don't want to violate forum rules.

they are theories i developed based on being raised as a jw and taking philosophy classes.

please reply to this if you'd like to check it out and give me feedback and i will pm you the link.. thanks.

logical1

I'm not going to post the link here as I both want it to be completely anonymous (no connection to me on any other website) and I don't want to violate forum rules. They are theories I developed based on being raised as a JW and taking philosophy classes. Please reply to this if you'd like to check it out and give me feedback and I will PM you the link.

Thanks

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Are You Afraid To Die Alone?

by minimus in

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i know of someone that is concerned that she will be all alone when she dies.. are you afraid to die alone??

?.

logical1

I am not afraid of death, as noone will know when they have died. I am only afraid of becoming disfigured and living with it.

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Just got a knock at the door....

by Found Sheep in

it was omaha steak salesman.

i am home alone with the doors open.

they would not take no for an answer.... they made me feel uncomfortable!!.

logical1

My roommate bought "steak" from a door to door salesmen. At the time I had never heard of this and thought it was extremely weird for someone to sell meat of all things door to door, even if the meat was free I wouldn't trust eating it.

He spent like 200 dollars on the steak and its still rotting in our freezer to this day, years later lol

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How many double agents are there?

by logical1 in

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how many are there on this board that are also still in the society, especially acting in a position of leadership?

i think it's pretty funny they always talked about how "jehovah would root out the wickedness" yet theres people on here getting invites to "zone visits" that many other blind and faithful people weren't invited to.. .

if any of you are on your way out and have the ability to give a talk before you go, you should cratifly morph a talk into discussion about the origins of the society, by the time its obvious what you're doing you will have given 100-150 people seeds of doubt before they yank you off the stage, and the fact that they would be physically escorting you off the stage when you were simply talking about the "founder" of the society should be alarming and suspicious enough to those watching.. .

logical1

How many are there on this board that are also still in the society, especially acting in a position of leadership? I think it's pretty funny they always talked about how "Jehovah would root out the wickedness" yet theres people on here getting invites to "zone visits" that many other blind and faithful people weren't invited to.

If any of you are on your way out and have the ability to give a talk before you go, you should cratifly morph a talk into discussion about the origins of the society, by the time its obvious what you're doing you will have given 100-150 people seeds of doubt before they yank you off the stage, and the fact that they would be physically escorting you off the stage when you were simply talking about the "founder" of the society should be alarming and suspicious enough to those watching.

Also, you could create a "non-threatening" tract about some of the major red herrings of the societies founding, and place it on everyones vehicle during a meeting. You would want to place it in such a way that they wouldnt notice it till they got home, since if one person finds it on their car and realizes what it is, they will run back in shrieking about apostate literature on all the cars and the elders will go out and collect it to the "sheep" dont have to see.

Basically, find a way to place it so that its discovered when they get home, not in the parking lot, by then they can read it without worrying about someone seeing them do it.

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The easy way out

by logical1 in

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background on me: mid 20's, raised as jw, never baptised.. .

a month or so ago, some jw's were calling on my street, i missed them at my door, but they had parked in front of my house while they hit up the rest of my block.

while they were at my neighbors door, i thought to myself "what is the easiest non-threatening simple message i could write on a piece of paper that would essentially give them "apostate" information, without them realizing what it was and shutting down?".

logical1

I appreciate the input on what else to say, I want more ammo for if they come back. They don't seem to be afraid of me because I was "stumbled" away, which apparently doesn't make me an apostate.

This board is a very valuable resource as I can pool together the experience of many retired elders, etc, to get my point accross and use their own tricks against them.

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The easy way out

by logical1 in

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background on me: mid 20's, raised as jw, never baptised.. .

a month or so ago, some jw's were calling on my street, i missed them at my door, but they had parked in front of my house while they hit up the rest of my block.

while they were at my neighbors door, i thought to myself "what is the easiest non-threatening simple message i could write on a piece of paper that would essentially give them "apostate" information, without them realizing what it was and shutting down?".

logical1

Well most of that statement I came up with when I had time to stew over it later, I wouldn't have been that articulated on the fly. Plus I fear retribution as I have former employers I need as references who are JW's, otherwise I probably wouldn't hold back.

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The easy way out

by logical1 in

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background on me: mid 20's, raised as jw, never baptised.. .

a month or so ago, some jw's were calling on my street, i missed them at my door, but they had parked in front of my house while they hit up the rest of my block.

while they were at my neighbors door, i thought to myself "what is the easiest non-threatening simple message i could write on a piece of paper that would essentially give them "apostate" information, without them realizing what it was and shutting down?".

logical1

Background on me: Mid 20's, raised as JW, never baptised.

A month or so ago, some JW's were calling on my street, I missed them at my door, but they had parked in front of my house while they hit up the rest of my block. While they were at my neighbors door, I thought to myself "What is the easiest non-threatening simple message I could write on a piece of paper that would essentially give them "apostate" information, without them realizing what it was and shutting down?"

So I scribbled down "Search Google for Charles Taze Russels tombstone"

And folded the paper, and put it under their SUVs windshield wiper like a tract.

Curious as could be, the witnesses gathered back at the car, looked at the paper, said something to one another and TOOK IT WITH THEM! Clearly if they thought it was apostate they would have left it by the side of the road or something.

Now, I am not sure if this is related, but fast forward to a month later, I get a call from a middle aged witness couple who appear to just be calling on me (as far as I could tell), they could have been hitting up the block again but I doubt it, unless I got marked as a not-at-home.

Anyway, they start talking about their speech, I identify myself as a former (unbaptized) member who is now opposed (aka an unofficial apostate). They try to share a scripture with me and ask what stumbled me out of the religion. I told them I was raised in it and Google stumbled me out.

I told them that if they googled "Charles Russels" tombstone they would find a picture of a pyrmaid, clearly not faked as the graves address is posted for in person verification. I explained that the tombstone had symbols of numerology on it, which had a spiritistic origin.

The first thing out of their mouth was "But we don't follow Russel!"

I said "Oh? Who do you follow then?"

"The first century christians!" they replied

I countered "Ok, then didn't he found your organization?"

"No, the first century christians did!"

I said "Well, you belong to the Watchtower organization, correct? Charles Russel was the founder of it. In addition, the same symbol on his pyrmaid was used on the Watchtower."

I then encouraged them to Google it and see for themseleves, and assured them it wasn't evil apostate information they would find, but rather a picture of a tombstone. After all, how could a picture be considered apostate, its of a freaking grave site!

What did they say? "Let me share this scripture with you..."

I interrupted, and said again they needed to look it up on Google.

They then said something to the effect of me not wanting everlasting life (weak fear based approach)

I replied with this "Well, according to you, there is no hell, no eternal suffering, correct?"

"Correct" they said.

I furthered "And the dead are conscious of nothing, am I right?"

"Yes" they answered.

So basically, I have two possibilities. If I put all my faith in the WTBS and live a really restricted life slaving away for the "truth", I might live forever, or I might have been duped, and wasted the only life I have.

OR

I could live my life the way I want, and if heaven forbid I am wrong, and Jehovah and the Watchtower Org were correct, I will die, be conscious of nothing, AND NEVER KNOW I MISSED OUT.

Therefore, as an agnostic, the best logical decision in this circumstance is the latter. Bottom line, I told them, is "I know very well what the WTBS claims, and based on its teachings, if I defy what the Watchtower says, I will never know I missed out because I will be dead, and I am ok with that."

So the woman has the nerve to say "Ohh so you want the easy way out"

I really felt like saying "The easy way out? Lady, I'm in the military, I'm willing to die for your right to hypocritically judge people and mind control them. If anything, you're taking the easy way out by blindly accepting the Watchtower as truth, and living off the welfare of the taxes I pay so you can cult-recruit full time"

But I simply said "Just search Google for what I told you, have a nice day" and shut the door.