Wildhorses,
dont be afraid of some here, you can continue running ahead of me
there are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
Wildhorses,
dont be afraid of some here, you can continue running ahead of me
there are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
Mustang,
Generally speaking what you mention has been said before, negative aspects about the jw, this excelletent website is full of that.
BUT my topic is trying to collect arguments in a dsffierent directions
I reseve my opinion about the 'opinion' that there is nothing positive about the jw, that is what you, outlaw and others have expresed..
You and others have gone on a tangent, nevertheless your following comment is interesting.
The child is later expected to CONFIRM his entry in the church when they reach an age where understanding of the religion is achieved.
Can you elaborate on it?, perhaps on another thread, stating what a confirmation is all about and at what age it is permitted etc
Mustang
BB's analysis only reinforces my personal statement: "There was certainly not enough positive to offset the negative."
As i implied before, that is YOUR case, other cases are different. And I suggested that the sequel of jw experience could be a "lemonade", we only hurt ourself by not doing it.
"three kings is not celebrated in the usa and other "cristian" countries.
santa had nothing to do with jesus who was "born" this day some 2000 years ago.
on the other hand besides celebrating santa "three king" is also celebrated around january in many countries and is an older celebration..
come on you historians and political savvy
there are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
OUT,
You are entitled to an opinion with no consequence, that is not possible with jw, that is not positive about them.
as you know the earthquake has killed an estimated 10,000 people today in asia.
there are over 1,000,000 people now homeless as a result.. if you can help by donating to charitable organisations such as the red cross and oxfam, please do.
see if you can donate time to man helplines or help in any other practical way.
I wen to the first website but it was just general info.
On the other hand, i still dont trust org tha collect moeny.
what's more there are deep pocktets and gov with a lot of $$$, including the usa, they hava a political and moral responsability.
BUT I dont mind going there RIGHT NOW and spend any amount of time helping
every time i try to search for helping org recruting volunteers i find nothing, in fact i have registered with some and never get back a real practical response, but just general info on emails, mailed automatically by machines.
My above inclination is above the fact that MOST of us can help many people in real need LOCALLY.
this from the proclaimers book, page 199.. when shown ( who showed them?
) that celebrating the birth of jesus had actually become of greater interest to people than the ransom provided by his death; that the revelry of the holiday and the spirit in which many gifts were given did not honor god; that the magi whose gift - given was being imitated were actually demon - inspired astrologers; that parents set an example for their children in lying by what they told them about santa claus; that "st. nicholas" ( santa claus ) was admittedly ( who admitted this ) another name for the devil himself; and that such festivals were, as acknowledged by cardinal newman in his essay on the development of christian doctrine, "the very instruments and appendages of demon - worship' the church had adopted ---------- when made aware of these things ( who made them aware ) jehovah's witnesses promptly and permanently stopped having any part in christmas celebrations.. so, let me get this straight, from 1919 ( when they were supposedly selected by jesus as the faithful and discreet slave,) they continued this demonic practice of celebrating christmas until a member of christendom, cardinal newman and not jesus, showed them , made them aware, some seven years after jesus saw fit to select them as his slave, that all this time they were celebrating a demonic holiday.. who is lying to whom?
stop blaming the parents and everyone else for your own blatant bold faced lies!.
as victims of victims bible students (not jw) were trying to follow the bible,
BUT they replaced a generally accepted set of doctrines with another set of doctrines, imo the major "replacing" ended around 1935.
I dont see major changes in jw doctrines from 1935 until now, except for many rules and the "generation", but they are not doctrines so to speak.
there are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
out,
a coin has two sides, if you read my post history, you'll know the other side of the coin
I take you dont remember or recognize anything positive about the jw.
with his wife to say that it's been 3 months since my daughter's wedding and in october he got deleted for going to it even though the presiding overseer told him it was a "conscience matter.
period.
".....the circuit overseer saw it differently and removed my friend as an elder amd my mom as a regular pioneer because of a letter sent only to circuit overseers in 1999!!!!
Min,
If your friend was an elder for 45 years he should have known better, tell him to forget about an appeal to the GB and "wait on J".
If you really like the guy, not only "hope" but do the photocopying i suggested.
i often wondered how those of other natonalities who eventually become jws view taking orders from a usa based religion.
did it bother you that foreigners were making rules that you had to live by?
did the people that you met at the doors every bring up the fact that this was a religion run by foreigners?
Pole,
ditto,
Yes, some people did bring this issue up at the door. But it was easy to explain away.
Persons with strong political inclination towards the left bring that issue. In most countries the main religions have been imported anyway.
Frank.
wonder if the fact that the WT is USA based will eventually work against further growth in other contries.wt being based in usa is not a major factor, people from many countries want to go to usa, and a xxx is born every minute.
there are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
wildhorses,
You are running ahead of me... good point, i also noticed that. And haven't seen it again in ANY large group.