instead of allowing the elders to run roughshod over us, i think we should start thinking of how to get to them before they try to impose their will upon us.
some may not care if the elders and society suddenly went after us.
but just out of principle, we should not let them do anything they want to us in their shunning treatment.
IP,
If they are saying no longer one of JWs it could mean just a person of the nations. We still talk to people of the nations.
Not only the WT tell jw to limit contact with "people of the nations", but one JW who they consider no longer one JW is a diffeent story, it is like they have repudiated, so if no "longer one of us he/she is against us", by becoming inactive he has rejected the teachings etc etc
instead of allowing the elders to run roughshod over us, i think we should start thinking of how to get to them before they try to impose their will upon us.
some may not care if the elders and society suddenly went after us.
but just out of principle, we should not let them do anything they want to us in their shunning treatment.
I could be completely wrong but I just dont see things going that way.
Just wait and see, it not going to be overnight... actually it is being done right now to some degree, it is an unwritten rule which the don't they enforce, those who want privileges have been doing it for a long time. Their opinion is that an inactive ja must be doing some secret thing.
If they start DAing folks for being inactive and we treat them like they are DF'd it seems like it would piss too many r & fers off.
Not really, besides they are legally and technically right to consider an inactive as not one member of the jw religion therefore...
unless you believe the trilateral commission runs everything, you might think one person has more influential power than anyone else on the planet.
who's your pick??
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Powerfull in what area?. Besides many head of states are not powerful it is the institution they represent, btw elected by the influence of real powerful players. G.W.Bush will have a lot less power four yeas from now but Bill Gates, drug lords, and rich Saudits will keep theirs.
instead of allowing the elders to run roughshod over us, i think we should start thinking of how to get to them before they try to impose their will upon us.
some may not care if the elders and society suddenly went after us.
but just out of principle, we should not let them do anything they want to us in their shunning treatment.
A letter to the Secretary certified with signature confirmation quoting some of the courts order in the case agains the WT by Barbara or any other more apropriate.
State that you "heard" that an announcement was made mentioning your name, that since you are a lover of the truth, despite what other may think about, you are really concerned about your reputation and worry being demafed... therefore you want elders to confirm or if is just gossip... or an spin about the case regarding your mother.
ok, so, don't blame me for this topic!
kate and i just happen to have an electrical engineer staying with us tonight, and he got me going on this; it's all his fault!!!
lol .
That's one of "they" reason they wen to Iraq AND (i heard) the FED gov in the usa is going to buy ALL electric power distribution lines, own them just like roads and highways
ok, according to the rigcah, patdp, and ipalfam i and ii the jewish restoration prophecy fulfilled in 537 bc has an antitype in 1919 ad when the wt officers were released from prison.
this is obviously a central teaching of the slave.
they say they were exonerated of all the charges that caused them to go to prison, and because of their faith they were accepted as the slave at that time.
The "Finished Mystery" and similar books such as the one title 'religion a racket etc' were real stupidity, wheter they trully beleive or not, surely it was to gain followers by exposing negative info about the 'competition', not to mention that Russel, Rutherford etc were probably initially sincere who developed into intelligent nuts .
That is what happens to most people i have known that takes bible too seriously, then NOT being able to make sense of it they loose their own senses. LOL
Just like anything in life... remember the comics about the crazy scientific in his lab...
ok, according to the rigcah, patdp, and ipalfam i and ii the jewish restoration prophecy fulfilled in 537 bc has an antitype in 1919 ad when the wt officers were released from prison.
this is obviously a central teaching of the slave.
they say they were exonerated of all the charges that caused them to go to prison, and because of their faith they were accepted as the slave at that time.
what is sedition?
"Sedition the federal crime of advocacy of uprising or overthrow against the government or support for an enemy of the nation during time of war, by speeches, publications and organization."
You can repetat and re-write things during peace time you could not do during time of war...
did i mention Iraq war early 1990's and NGO/UN association coincidence?
the u.s. house of representatives approved on thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic id cards, including driver's licenses.
under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government.
the bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.
It put great burden on the employer, and even with vigilant checks, there were great anomolies from state to state.
it wont resolve any problems, they (terrorist?) will find the way to get away. But it is an step further to a centralized control which they think could be improved with future better technology etc.
the u.s. house of representatives approved on thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic id cards, including driver's licenses.
under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government.
the bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.
Fossil fuel grabbing stagnation, and what passes as survival instinct is entropy. If we are the 'best and the brightest', let's act like it.
antropy yes, but (circular here) for top usa officials the "brightest" ideas is go grab the oil,
the reason is they don't want the usa to become an island, as your suggestion imply, (not possible anyway from a socioeconomic standpoint).
Besides they want to retain world power (they better retain it as some countires are just waiting for an opportunity to... )
Therefore.they have no choice... oil is THE ticket.
My appologies to all, for getting this off topic, but this apparently has hit my hot button. I didn't think I had one left!
LOL, regarding going off topic, no one can help, all issues are related, it my fault anyway.
"Anyone who gives up his liberty for security deserves neither."
that's exactly what we got as result of "free" elections
the u.s. house of representatives approved on thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic id cards, including driver's licenses.
under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government.
the bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.
States has been doing that for a long time now.
all 50 including territories?
Now all of them are being TOLD how to do it, the data format etc.
Besides looks like they are going to be "supervised' from a central host, making sure they comply, specially any new license issued.
MORE power to the FEDERAL...
