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FADERS YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED - BELIEVE IT OR NOT!.

by mankkeli in

to onthewayout, 00dad, cedars and other reknowned faders.

reports have reached patterson that faders are much more dangerous than those disfellowshipped.

their reasons for fading are no longer new to the gb.

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What is a "Fader"? Is that a negative term or an insult referring to those who were active in the Christian Congregation, but over a period of time slowly ceased to participate or attend meetings? How self-righteous and unchristlike to label anyone, let alone a label that is an insult.

Did Jesus call his disciples "faders" because the went back to their normal lives after he was impaled? Of course not. Jesus gave us the law of love and he is not above it. So, it would be unbecoming of any proclaimed christian to label anyone.

Further, is it not Jesus who is responsible for judging? To label someone a "fader" would mean you have judged that person yourself. This is encroaching on the authority of Jesus that was granted to him by Jehovah. By doing so, one actually challenges Jesus authority and therfore is rebelling against Jehovah himself in the same fashion as Adam and Eve.

Therefore, if you have committed the grievous sin of: 1) Violating Jesus law of love, 2) become haughty & self-righteous by judging, 3) rebelled against Jehovah's arrangements you have committed horrible sins. Further, to do so in a public forum such as the internet brings reproach upon Jehovah and his earthly organization.

Anyone committing these sins should immediately ask for Jehovah's forgiveness and confess their sins to their local body of elders. Especially so if you are the original poster of this thread.

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Watchtower: "... NO MIDDLE GROUND"

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtower: "... no middle ground".

today i added a new article to my blog addressing the disparity between what watchtower demands of the community of jehovah's witnesses in contrast to liberties it grants to itself.

in the end, the question becomes who is faithful?

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Many Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States endured prison sentences due to the draft during war years needlessly. Many were offered alternative, non-military public service and needless refused. Now they have to live as a convicted felon with the mental scars of living life in a prison.

Truly an evil empire.

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Will the Governing Body Ever Make a Big Enough Mistake?

by What Now? in

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i am not scared of armageddon anymore.

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The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a mind-control cult promoted by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. The Governing Body has already promoted the idea that if information does not come from them it is false and anyone seeking knowledge from any other source is to be disfellowshipped. So, the scenario you are looking for would have to come along very specific guidelines.

It would appear that the WB&TS has gone from a corporation making money off of selling publications to a realestate scam. Some point in time international, national, and local media may begin a blitz on some aspect of this. The whole Menlo Park congregation lawsuit in federal court may be the tip of the spear on this whole thing.

Congregations are being forced to take a loan from the WB&TS to build a new Kingdom Hall. They pay the loan, with interest, back to the WB&TS. Then the congregation signs the deed for the property over to the WB&TS. The WB&TS then sells the Kingdom Hall which has now accrued about 20 years of equity while selling another 20 year loan to the same congregation for their new Kingdom Hall.

Lather, rinse, repeat...

Oh, and the best part of all is that the whole process from beginning to end is tax exempt.

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Society's position on illegal aliens

by sir82 in

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one of the things that has always irked me is the society's position on illegal aliens.. paraphrasing a us boe letter (can't remember the date, not a recent one though), elders were instructed that they are not "policemen", not responsible for enforcing "caesar's laws".

so, if there are any illegal aliens in the congregation, elders do not report them to any authority.

no (congregational) disciplanary action at all is taken against them.. however, illegal aliens are not "exemplary", in that they are knowingly breaking caesar's laws.

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Witnesses who are illegal aliens are not allowed to hold special privileges. The reason is because the are violating the law.

Witnesses do not report child molesters in the congregation to the police. Why would they report illegal aliens to ICE? However, in many states, it is a jailable offense to fail to report child abuse. So, I wonder how they get around that?

I used to get a feeling of shame when I booked people into jail and say their Blood Card in their wallet. Now, it doesn't phase me a bit. I booked a pioneer sister in my own congregation for physically abusing her daughter.

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Have any other religion flip-flopped doctrinally?

by stillstuckcruz in

i am attempting to see if a comparison can be made to other religions.

obviously we all know that jw's have fip-flopped on many doctrinal issues.

but are there any other religions and cults that have done this?

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Mormons.

Missouri was supposed to be the New Jerusalem, but Missouri would not put up with them. So, magically, Utah is now the New Jerusalem. They just had to kill the natives, first, but it was ok because Native American tribes are the evil Lamenites.

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U.S. Army Policy Letter Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses And Blood

by Bangalore in

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u.s. army policy letter regarding jehovah's witnesses and blood.. .

bangalore.

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When you are a member of the U.S. military you are legally property of the United State government. I have been told by persons who have served that they have seen or have been personally disciplined for destruction of government property for getting a sunburn. If the military is going to put fuel in their tanks and bullets in their guns they will put blood in their injured troops.

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Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

by mankkeli in

this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

(1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

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This Watchtower article defines "spiritual shipwreck" as: A figure of speech referring to one of Jehovah's Witnesses who has lost faith in their religion because they feel Armageddon has not come fast enough and no longer care for living on "Paradise" earth. This can includes the verbal berating of those who claim to be the Faithful and Descreet Slave, also referred to as "The Governing Body".

This claim is highly opinionated and requires one to accept a number of thoughts as fact. Such as:

1) There is a god and his name is Jehovah.

2) Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true religion.

3) The Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

4) An event referred to as "Armageddon" will take place.

5) Those given salvation will be given everlasting last and live on earth under paradise conditions.

6) Anyone who questions and speaks out against the Governing Body is the "Evil Slave".

There is no proof of any of this. Research the Münchhausen Trilemma. The belief that the Bible is all true is "Turtles all the way down."

Use some common sense; this website's purpose is to present a forum for persons who were Jehovah's Witnesses, but came to the realization that the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is a mindcontrol cult and an evil, greedy corporation. Quoting from Watchtower literature to prove a point to the users of this website is like quoting from "The Amazing Spider-Man" issue number 200 to prove to me that Spider-Man really exists.

Mankkeli, this is just some friendly advice and you can do what you want with it; stop. Just stop. I perceive that your sole purpose of posting on this site, regardless of your claims, is to try to prove to the users of this site that we are all misleading ourselves and that we need to jump back on the Watchtower bandwagon. You are wasting bandwidth.

I suggest that in the future, if you are going to try to prove the Watchtower Society to be correct on any idea, I suggest you quote from sources that are not printed in the publications of the Watchtower Society.

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"Flawed Faith vs. Loss of Faith"

by leavingwt in

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below is a quote from a recent thread at the channel c forum that caught my attention.

it llustrates how the exit strategy for some awakened jws must include a religious alternative.

this particular individual is particularly concerned that jw children will become godless, upon learning that wt is not the only true religion.

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This logic suggests that:

1) Prior to Christianity all children were raised to be evil, out-of-control people.

2) All non-christian families raise their children to be evil, out-of-control people.

3) All children raised by aethist/agnostic parents turn out to be evil and out-of-control.

This is an invalid argument. Especially so since there is no evidence to even suggest it. Further more, it is highly inflammatory since it is implying that children raised in non-christian households have no hope of becoming decent adult.

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Was Jesus a REAL person?

by Black Man in

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so i've reached the point where i've reconciled that the majority of bible stories that i was raised with are the works of fiction and are as real as cartoon and fairytales.

but jesus, i'm still crafting my view(s)on that.

jesus as the son of an almighty sky god, i don't believe.

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Jesus is as real as Hercules, son of Zeus. Zeus had a mortal women give birth to a son and that son was Hercules...or was it Horus, the Egyptian god? I forget.

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Religious People Live Longer

by mankkeli in

regular involvement in religious activities goes hand in hand with better physical health and a longer life, according to a statistical analysis of 42 independent studies published since 1977 that have addressed this issue, states science news.

religious involvement, especially the public type, showed a statistically significant relationship to higher survival rates, the scientists say.

several reasons have been proposed for the findingsthe shunning of risky behaviors, marital stability, less depression associated with matters beyond direct control, greater social contacts, and positive emotions and attitudes.

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My father submitted a study based on his own research to the WB&TS. It showed that an usually high number of mentally ill people were becoming Jehovah's Witnesses. He was told to scrap it and never speak of it, again.

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