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Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

by mankkeli in

this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

(1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

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This Watchtower article defines "spiritual shipwreck" as: A figure of speech referring to one of Jehovah's Witnesses who has lost faith in their religion because they feel Armageddon has not come fast enough and no longer care for living on "Paradise" earth. This can includes the verbal berating of those who claim to be the Faithful and Descreet Slave, also referred to as "The Governing Body".

This claim is highly opinionated and requires one to accept a number of thoughts as fact. Such as:

1) There is a god and his name is Jehovah.

2) Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true religion.

3) The Governing Body is the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

4) An event referred to as "Armageddon" will take place.

5) Those given salvation will be given everlasting last and live on earth under paradise conditions.

6) Anyone who questions and speaks out against the Governing Body is the "Evil Slave".

There is no proof of any of this. Research the Münchhausen Trilemma. The belief that the Bible is all true is "Turtles all the way down."

Use some common sense; this website's purpose is to present a forum for persons who were Jehovah's Witnesses, but came to the realization that the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is a mindcontrol cult and an evil, greedy corporation. Quoting from Watchtower literature to prove a point to the users of this website is like quoting from "The Amazing Spider-Man" issue number 200 to prove to me that Spider-Man really exists.

Mankkeli, this is just some friendly advice and you can do what you want with it; stop. Just stop. I perceive that your sole purpose of posting on this site, regardless of your claims, is to try to prove to the users of this site that we are all misleading ourselves and that we need to jump back on the Watchtower bandwagon. You are wasting bandwidth.

I suggest that in the future, if you are going to try to prove the Watchtower Society to be correct on any idea, I suggest you quote from sources that are not printed in the publications of the Watchtower Society.

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"Flawed Faith vs. Loss of Faith"

by leavingwt in

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below is a quote from a recent thread at the channel c forum that caught my attention.

it llustrates how the exit strategy for some awakened jws must include a religious alternative.

this particular individual is particularly concerned that jw children will become godless, upon learning that wt is not the only true religion.

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This logic suggests that:

1) Prior to Christianity all children were raised to be evil, out-of-control people.

2) All non-christian families raise their children to be evil, out-of-control people.

3) All children raised by aethist/agnostic parents turn out to be evil and out-of-control.

This is an invalid argument. Especially so since there is no evidence to even suggest it. Further more, it is highly inflammatory since it is implying that children raised in non-christian households have no hope of becoming decent adult.

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Was Jesus a REAL person?

by Black Man in

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so i've reached the point where i've reconciled that the majority of bible stories that i was raised with are the works of fiction and are as real as cartoon and fairytales.

but jesus, i'm still crafting my view(s)on that.

jesus as the son of an almighty sky god, i don't believe.

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Jesus is as real as Hercules, son of Zeus. Zeus had a mortal women give birth to a son and that son was Hercules...or was it Horus, the Egyptian god? I forget.

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Religious People Live Longer

by mankkeli in

regular involvement in religious activities goes hand in hand with better physical health and a longer life, according to a statistical analysis of 42 independent studies published since 1977 that have addressed this issue, states science news.

religious involvement, especially the public type, showed a statistically significant relationship to higher survival rates, the scientists say.

several reasons have been proposed for the findingsthe shunning of risky behaviors, marital stability, less depression associated with matters beyond direct control, greater social contacts, and positive emotions and attitudes.

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My father submitted a study based on his own research to the WB&TS. It showed that an usually high number of mentally ill people were becoming Jehovah's Witnesses. He was told to scrap it and never speak of it, again.

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Police funeral in a kingdom hall...Photo from Chile.

by Aussie Oz in

http://www.jw-archive.org/2011/10/funeral-in-chilean-kingdom-hall-of.html.

photo of a police escort in the kingdom hall.

along with confused witness comments.. another example of how we know the jws follow the rules of men and not the bable.

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Being raised in the evil empire and being a police officer I can sort through the confusion.

The WB&TS has never written that Jehovah's Witnesses are prohibitted from being police officers. In fact, there was a Questions from the Readers article in 2002 that asked why a recent Awake! article protrayed police in a positive light when Witnesses cannot be police officers. The reply was: "We've never said that. However, if you're thinking of becoming one you should read this" and it had a footnote to an old Watchtower article.

Back in the very early 1980's a Watchtower article came out dealing with murder/killing. It statied that if you had a job the required you to carry a weapon to protect you from other people you had 6 months to find new employment or you would not be able to have any extended privileges in the congregation. I believe the reason for this is, if you were to kill someone, you would become bloodguilty, which is a disfellowshipping offense.

As a result, the mindless masses of Witnesses drew a false conclusion that Witnesses could not be police officers. The fact is just the opposite. Just forget about ever becoming a Ministerial Servant or an Elder. If you save a life, including your own, by fulfilling Romans 13:1-7 be prepared to be disfellowshipped due to a mis-translation of "Thou shall not murder" to "You should not kill" courtesy of the NWT.

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The Beast-Tower #1: Questions from Beastly Readers: Should Christians Drink Water?

by sd-7 in

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should christians drink water?.

how refreshing it can be to satisfy oneself with a cold beverage on a warm day!

many christians choose to do this after a long day of zealous kingdom preaching.

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Were you ever on the writing committee? Serisously. This sounds just like a Watchtower article. Outstanding work!

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Lack of Elders in your hall?

by stuckinamovement in

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there is an upcoming study article trying to encourage men to reach out.

in my cong there are more former elders and servants than current ones.

i was looking around the other day during a meeting and could only spot one young guy who is reaching out to be an ms. the 5 elders are now running mics.

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Here's a list of reasons why the pool of candidates has shrunk to nothing:

1) Economy - How does a man support a wife, kids, and a mortgage on a janitor's salary? To support a family on one income is no small task. Especially if you are only allowed to have a high school education. I say one income because, if your wife is working rather than pioneering, your family is not setting a good example.

2) Work Schedules - the number of jobs, high paying or not, that allow you to have all of your nights and weekends free is dwindling. Especially so in the U.S. where the service industry is now the main employer. Circuit Overseers tell elders that jobs requiring shiftwork are unsuitable.

3) Elder Workload - Mediator, Referee, Marriage Consellor, Psychiatrist; these are but a few responsibilites elders are asked to be. The only training and education they receive on these topics is a book that tells you how to avoid law suits. Not to mention all the parts you have to prepare to deliver and the fact that you have to take the lead in the ministry.

4) Ultimate Self-Denial - Imagine having to deny yourself simple pleasures simply because one person MIGHT have an opinion that such a thing is unbecoming. Television, movies, music, consuming alcohol, interest in sports; kiss them goodbye. We wouldn't want to stumble somebody.

5) It all Smoke & Mirrors - Many still in the evil empire see it for what it is; fairy tales and, as the Romans said, "Taurus Feces". However, they are too afraid of the shunning to give up all together. All their family and friends are still in. They cannot stomach the idea of their loved ones shunning them. So, unless everyone leaves at once, they all stay. Slowly wasting away.

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What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

by minimus in

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i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

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I was born into the 1975 period and raised in the 80's & 90's. The big difference is that the joy of life has been steadily sucked out by the evil empire. I have to agree with many posters on joys that were removed/prohibitted.

Emphasis shifted from spiritual things to organizational things.

Simplification was a killjoy to so many things. Assemblies and Conventions became a burden due to the ceasing of food service. Publication explaining the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses were simplified (e.g. going from the Live Forever to Knowledge book) causing new ones to have a weaker foundation.

The social changes were huge. Outlawing social gatherings pretty much killed any joy that was left. It is bad enought that Jehovah's Witnesses are to avoid socializing with non-Witnesses, but then to go a step further and forbid socializing in groups with Witnesses took things too far.

I too remember the days when every weekend my family would invite a family in the congregation over for dinner or we would be invited to another family's home. Hospitality has almost completely died inside the evil empire.

Last but not least, with the change in the "generation" doctrine, there seems to be no end in sight. Sure, you'll read about it in the publications and hear about it from the platform, but no one lives like it. Why? Because they don't believe it. I have even heard elders walk right off the platform after giving a Circuit Assmebly part and whisper, "Armageddon isn't coming anytime, soon."

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JW Manhattan Project

by Red Piller in

i received this and am passing it on email.

(nyc) area by jehovah's witnesses.

god in this project, too.. .

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"Manhattan Project...it was acknowledged at the meeting that the previous worldly use of
this term cost millions of lives (in producing the atom bomb); but this new
use of the phrase intends to instead SAVE many lives...)"

The dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan ended the bloodiest conflict in human history. Also, the term "worldly" is a derogatory word used to describe anything outside the evil empire. To use it is to judge. It is the same as calling someone a cretin or a pagan, which were derogatory terms used by religion to describe non-believers.

I wonder how long it will take for NYC to issue a cease and desist letter to the evil empire. I could only imagine the logistical nightmare of having to clean up thousands of copies of the New World Translation from the steets and gutters.

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Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

by highdose in

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over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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@sonny.alfaro-

The so-called fulfilled prophesies in the Bible are not necessarily reason to be believe the end is nigh.

Jesus, the son of God, was supposedly prophesied to appear on earth. This was allegedly fulfilled with the virgin birth through Mary. He then grew to manhood, became a great teacher, and was then impaled. 3 days later he rises from the grave.

What about Horus, Krishna, Buddha, and a score of other non-bibilical prophets/deities who also are written of doing the exact same things as the Biblical Jesus, but centuries earlier? What about the fact that there is no proof outside the Bible that Jesus even existed. Any so-called contemporaries who have written non-scriptual texts containing information about Jesus were written from hear-say accounts and many were written decades after the gospels were written.

Plato and Homer wrote about Hercules as if he were a real, historical person. Hercules was the son of Zeus, born to a pure mortal woman. So, is Hercules real or is he myth? We say "myth". Why? Because no one worships Zeus anymore.

In Islam they teach of "Al-Malhama Al-Kubra" which is the final battle where Allah sends the prophet Isa to earth to defeat Al Dajaal. It's the exact same set up as the Christian "armageddon". So, Islam correct, too?

For that matter, what about the norse Ragnarok? These are all religious "end of the world" scenarios where good finally defeats evil. However, we are supposed to believe that only the scriptures as interpretted by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is the correct version of the "end of days".

Remember this: We've been told that each day that passes is one day closer to Armageddon. There is a flip-side to that coin. Each day that goes by is one day further from 1914. Every minute that passes with out the end of the world coming to fruition is one more nail in the coffin on another failed doomsday prophesy.

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