Posts by orangefatcat

Gee how many of you remember the green song bk and the even older brownish paper back song book? The greenish one was also paper back. That is really going back.

I use to like in the green one song 54, Forward Theocratic Warriors, and 100, I believe was the New Song, the refrain is Sing sing sing, loud let the new song ring , sing sing sing Jehovah now is King.

The reason the Society did away with those older song books was on account of the musical scores were composed by religious leaders, and composers like some to the great composers ever. Just wasn't good enough for JW's any more, we had to have songs composed and written by JWs for JWs. Do any of you remember Verne Duncan, he was with the Percy Faith Orchestra, before devoting his life to the Organization and music. He then devoted years to that work at Bethel. He died several years ago, he was an incredible gifted man. He was a distinguished man with snow white hair. Stood tall and dressed sharply. He had a gentle hand shake and a beautiful smile. I always found him to be a delightful man to be around.

Oh well, I didn't fancy these Kingdom melodies, it sounded the same the whole way through with a little back ground music to do away with the constant same sound. The same was true with the witnesses singing the song, Sing to Jehovah. I guess I am being maybe more cynical I don't know. I just didn't enjoy it.

I guess I have become spoiled with the sounds from the church and cathedrals and find that they sound magnificent in comparison to the JW's music. Maybe I am not being fair even comparing them to that, who knows.

Orangefatcat.

Loves to sing, Holy Holy Holy that is one of my favourites in Church. Anglican /Episicoplian.,

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Your thoughtful opinion is requested, please, on a possible proposal to free my wife from JWs

by lifelong humanist in

jw
friends

six years 'jw free', my wife is still in, although she's now nowhere neary as zealous as i was when in.

for this i'm grateful.. please take a moment to review my current situation as far as my wife's involvement is concerned with our 4, adult male children:.

my wife regularly contacts my dfd son, invites him and his wife to visit us, along with their 4 year old son, and thinks absolutely nothing of it!

orangefatcat

What a dreadful idea my dear friend. I am certain by your pleas to get your wife away from the witnesses that you deeply love her. Keep it that way please. Don't ruin something that is already a wonderful thing. Your wife has already left , she may not realize it but she has, she may know it and is in denial or whatever. She is holding on to her last vestiges of the witnesses why I have no idea, perhaps it is like a soother to her. Or she fears for her life in the end.

Perhaps she wants to safe face, no one knows why some people do the things they do. Just let well enough alone. Can you imagine what the elders will say to you first. They will disfellowship you the second you speak to them and second of all and really the most important of all, it is like your betraying your wife.

My ex husband use to go around to other witnesses in our congregation and even my friends that were not in our cong. and tell stories about me behind my back, and what kind of stories I had no idea. I often wondered why some at the KH often looked at me in a strange way and often ignored me and I hear whispers, and then one day I recieved a telephone call from a sister in the congregation and she said to me, Terry are you aware that your husband is saying all kinds of nasty things about you, like.......... and that I thought you should know because it is wrong and it is mean and cruel what he is doing to you.

Well I thanked this sister very much. You know how I felt? Like I was betrayed by a man who claimed he loved me, but showed otherwise by his actions. He had to be the center of attention.

I am not saying that is what you want but what I am saying , you wife may look at what you do as a form of betrayal, going behind her back it not wise. I ended up divorcing my husband because of reasons such as the one I just told you. There were many more reasons. But Betryal is the biggest reason.

Please dear friend if you never listen to me ever again, trust me on this, it will not be an act of loving kindness if you tell the elders on her. Talk to her first, as someone suggest over a nice evening when you have some nice quiet time together. Thats the time.

I hope and pray all goes well for you and your family and this is true, your wife's natural love that God endowed in every women for her children is greater then her love for the WTS. she knows where her loyality is, she is a true mom. I think it won't be long until she is beside you and your sons. She is more than half way there now.

Orangefatcat.

here is a bear hug for you and the best of wishes. Please know that you will also be in my prayers.

Terry

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I just heard of more organizational changes...........

by awildflower in

so a good friend of mine e-maild me today with this information.

aparently brother hurd says as of 2010 all the magazine printing and distribution will be moved to canada.

the only printing the us will do is the books.

orangefatcat

I had to have been drunk when I typed my comment, It makes no sense what so ever, I think it must have really been that new medication the doctor perscribed for muscle spasms. ( have been having since that accident a couple of Wednesdays ago. I just didn't think I was hurt but after a few days I realized how much I was hurt and hopefully with some massage therapy and pool therapy I should be okay.

That medication literally sends me into la la land or I feel a tad weird on it. Maybe some of you have heard of it, it is called beclofen. It is sure strong. And works super fast. So I guess I was getting really gruggy on it and I have no idea what it was what I was trying to really say.

I do so apologize for this if it offended anyone.

Orangefatcat..

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I just heard of more organizational changes...........

by awildflower in

so a good friend of mine e-maild me today with this information.

aparently brother hurd says as of 2010 all the magazine printing and distribution will be moved to canada.

the only printing the us will do is the books.

orangefatcat

Yes Snakes the next organized plan is to line up all the apostates and have us shot. I mean I bet that is what they ( The WBTS would love to do to us.), given a chance. And rather than take the blame for their own errors they blame us apostates. It is always easier to blame someone else should it fail.

I do have a thought I would like to add to this thread. I was just thinking that this health care in Ontario would be so advantageous to the G.B. especially seeing how they are so advanced in age and I bet they would recieve right away any health care should one of their lives were to become perilousily ill . Like instant heart and/or their mind attack those in the country.

And if my dear friends in the organizaion are reading this, guess what I am disfellowshipped . So if you ever come to see me in my home remember this I am an apostate and I hope that the organization makes tons of changes and that the witnesses in the congregations get clued in to what is going on and that way see through the organization and just walk away and fear nothing . The love of the greater one will cool off, may be this is the time for this.

Terry

orangefatcat

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Another JW Caught in the Act

by jamiebowers in

this was posted on facebook by a fellow exjw:.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=115905575893&h=iugq7&u=dfsnw&ref=nf.

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orangefatcat

My feelings on this subject are plain and easy. First you have a witness who has destroyed a Christian Family and a small childs innocence. Does this pervert not realize he has destroyed her trust in men all together. Not only that this young person has virtually lost her spirit of childhood that was inside her. All she sees and my feel over now inside of her mind is the evil deed this moronic a$$ JW did to her. The sad and tragic thing is that no matter what this person who had these things done to her( and any individual who has been molested and raped) is in locked in there minds forever, it never goes away, no matter how much they try not to think about it that memory is constantly there. You may deny that it is there ,but it is. Once this comes back in to your memory banks if you have supressed it it will never leave you again. You learn to live it and deal with and that is the sad truth of it.

That is why so many victims would love to kill main or do something to their attackers. Like getting even for years of abuse. Truth be told there is nothing that will suffice your hurt and rage. The abuser gets to still do what they do, and the victim is a victim forever, but with help one can learn to deal with the pain and the trama, and you learn to vent that anger in a positve way. Like smashing plates, or punching a pillow of punching bag and or take a run or anything that helps with dealing with the pain and anger at that moment and time. I know that is not the solution but it could be helpful.

Even talking to a friend who understands or a parent who hasn't turned their back on you, or a grandma and or a minister or a support group the most important thing in healing is getting that support.

I hope they throw away the key with this guy but obviously it isn't happening before you know it this pig will be out doing to someone elses child, every kingdom hall should have a red alert about jerks and sicko's like this guy but I don't think that will ever happen especially if in the past if he has molested children in the congregations and has been disfellowshipped or reproved privately what ever the case you know how victims are told to shut up or they will get disfellowshipped too.

What a loving organization, raring to help the victim, NOT they help the law breaker and embarass the victim more by stating you have to have two witnesses and with out it unless the guy is caught in the act or admits it then it is pointless you will never see justice done. And you wonder why some kill themselves, or others or one of these fine days your going to see a victim of one of these molester attack a kingdom hall or the person responsible and hurt them badly or kill them it surely wouldn't be the first time this has happened either.

There are people who take justice into their own hands because they get no justice in the witnesses, the courts, the other organizaitons that are suppose to protect children and one day you just snap and you can't take it any more and you just go and do what you think you have to do. Like vigilante style.

Sometimes I don't blame them. I think honestly if nothing was done for me in the way of justice,b I would go after the bastard and probably maim him for life. And you know where that is.

Orangefatcat

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A good friend of mine was df'd this week.

by wha happened? in

a good friend of mine was df'd this week.

he did so much for this organization.

as an accomplished musician and composer, he has contributed so much over the years.his work is in most of the homes of an avg jw.

orangefatcat

amen to that,

ofc

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A good friend of mine was df'd this week.

by wha happened? in

a good friend of mine was df'd this week.

he did so much for this organization.

as an accomplished musician and composer, he has contributed so much over the years.his work is in most of the homes of an avg jw.

orangefatcat

The Society is on a witch hunt, literally, I mean lets face facts, you guys are away from the congregation two years, fading nicely I am sure and volia your all of a sudden discovered and then the trouble starts for your husband. Now that is a witch hunt. I meant two whole years and they catch up to you. That is dispicable to say the least.

Are they playing the avenging angel or what? If this had happened to me, I would have told the body of elders look I haven't been to meetings in over two years so why do you have to bother with me now, just please walk away as I have nothing to say. If they had called again I would have asked them to leave and if they didn't I would call the police for tresspassing and I sure as hell wouldn't have gone to any Judical committee meetings, I would not have gone. Whats the worse they could do to you?

Disfellowship you? Probably but you wouldn't have had to go through all the crap they put you through if you didn't go to that JC meeting. I didn't attend any JC hearings I wasn't about to discuss my personal mistake between three men. My sin I addressed with God and God alone and I will take my chances with His justice.

I have been to other peoples hearings and I have seen how they have been treated. I was treated roughly treated when I was privately reproved and they turned around and decided to make it public reproof. That infuriated me so much and I know my elder father had something to do with it;

That is all it took and my downward spiral commenced and kept spiraling until I left the organization and my husband of 28 years, in Dec/ 99. I have never regretted my choices and at the same time I have never looked back, only forward and God has blessed me hundred fold. I am now a Christian and I try every day to walk as he walked, of course I fail miserably but I try really hard to do my best. I have a wonderful church family and a great house to worship our Lord.

I do hope your friend will be okay and will get over the disfellowshipping. Oh I hate that word. It isn't even in the Bible. A few words of comfort.

Lord give strength to those who love you with a good heart that the power of the holy spirit helps us to endure each and everyday, Also Father to those who are our friends here in JWN and other such boards with friends in need of help and support let us please be used by you to save as many as we can from evil cults.

To those who are lonely or depressed strengthen them and may you bless all of us as we work to make this world a better and safer place today tomorrow and forever.Protect us all and watch over us to the honour and glory of thy Holy Name

This we ask in the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen.

Shalom

orangefatcat