Posts by orangefatcat

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article about joining ymca

by jennybear in

orangefatcat

the same was true in Quebec, nothing to do with any thing religious at all.

no papers to sign. nothing nada.

orangefatcat

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What the hell is "new light"?

by undercover in

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where did the term "new light" come from?

was this ever in print anywhere or just a phrase that was created by followers when trying to describe changes to official doctrine or policy?.

"truth" as "light" cannot change.

orangefatcat

WT February 1881 r188: page 3 “CAST NOT AWAY THEREFORE YOUR CONFIDENCE” para 1:
If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light," but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.
A very interesting comment from a very old watchtower , it is too bad that they don't clarify this statement into their present literature. I mean I have seen some JW's literally go on and on about New Light as if it was the last thing on this planet. However you will never see that quote in one of their latest magizines Heaven forbid if a witness ever quoted it in a conversation. they would surely be tarred and feathered or stoned to death by scolding words such as apostate.. I would make them (WTS) look bad. And the Society really doesn't look bad nor do they want to give the impression that they look favourably upon Russell's teachings.
As demonstrated by Judge Rutherford he despised Russell. Of course he was a very haughty man and hungry for power over the organization and nothing like Russell. Russell had his foibles but I do believe that he thought he had found the true faith. It is too bad that he didn't . His teachings were so far fetched much like the teachings of the witnesses today but in a different sort of way. The end result is the same, neither then nor now has the WTS found the true light or illumination of the Christ. They think they have but indeed as we all see by their fruits that they have not proved to be what they claim.
I recall in the sixties and seventies the organization seemed not too bad. Things were somewhat okay people seemed content all eagerally awaiting the events of 1975 with that a complete change occured within the WTS, you could feel it. You could sense the stress and anxiety of the witnesses. I was in Montreal at the time. I was not suprised either way I thought if it happens it happens and I wasn't suprised when it didn't because I had read years earlier a bk written by McMillian, called "Faith on the March" and he said in that book somewhere. That in the year 1914 the brethern of the Lord all awaited at a specific location dressed in white robes awaiting to ascend into heaven." How foolish they must have felt when it didn't happen. And they had to go back to the drawing board as it were. Well that is why I really didn't believe Armageddon wasn't happening in 75. None of the signs were present.
It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure the WTS mad jack asses of themselves again. By the late 70ties and onward the organization was never really stable in any way that I could see. Even though I went to Montreal to help in the pioneer work I truly knew deep down I wasn't a very happy witness although I was great at showing a facade. I do believe that many hundreds of thousands maybe millions use the same facade a smile but behind the smile is deep sadness and regrets. Wishing they could leave but fear of reprecussions and lose of family and friends, lets face it it is a very hefty price when one is disfellowshiped. and that is the one tool the Society holds over the heads of all of the witnesses. They will never do away with it, it is their upper hand their iron fist. And that is why witnesses are afraid to leave.
The only new light the WTS has is when they change a burnt out light bulb.
Orangefatcat.

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Like everything else in the WATERTOWER SOCIETY they were ADVOCATE's of the UN as they had to take a PLEDGE of ALIGENCE to the USA. and nothing will ever convince they didn't know what they were doing. They knew big time and it would have continued had not some one blown the whistle on them., and so why make it an issue and tell witnesses it was wrong to go to the Y. Why I have no cotton picking idea. It was so stupid their reasoning. Lets face it they fornicated with the image of the wild beast, Satan's so called visible organization on earth riding the beast and was also committing harlotry, Oh heck how evil is the YMCA?

I mean considering their own stance on accepting moneys from the Philip Morse Tabbacco Comp. and letting people die and covering up pedophilia, I think joining the Y is prefectly acceptable. Don't you? I use to go to the Y when I lived in Montreal and I never told anyone I was going to the Y pool either I mean the worse they could do was what disfellowship me, hey then I would have been out eons ago. Why didn't I tell everyone I use to go? Hummm hind sight 20/20 . If I had have left back then I wouldn't have gone through all those years of misery, but hey maybe it wasn't time. I believe there are reasons for everything in life so maybe something was going on in the universe and I wasn't yet aware of it. But hey I am out now and looking forward to entering into the priesthood. I will be a pleasure to serve God and my fellow humankind to learn of the Grace of God and of eternal Salvation through Christ our Lord. It has nothing to do with the WTS.

After the Olympics the swimming pool was available to anyone wishing to swim so I started going their, wow what an amazing pool. Huge and deep and high diving everything you love to do when your an avid lover of the water like me. My friends all call me fish. I still am trying to figure out how I got the name orangefatcat. Both names I love.

Joining the Y as far I was concerned was my own business and I don't think it was anyone elses affair.

Orangefatcat the rebel en garde ye Watchtower. Ye days are limited

Just try and ignore Orangefatcato, he is in one of his more dramatic playful moods and you just have to humour him. He gladly will sit and have his photo taken with you for FREE. So ignore the Kat , there is just no living with him.when he starts acting out or as I say acting like a Ham.

Really Orange I do love you but a little less acting would be nice. You crazy ham. or cat rather. But I still love ya.

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can we do a list of jw things that go "beyond what is written?".....

by oompa in

or if there is one already...point me to it...the longer i am here...the more i realize that the fds/wt may have started with good intentions like maybe the pharisees did....but they went nutso and added a zillion things not even in the bible and so have the fds...some of these things are minor and some are not...like".

1. hatred of mens facial hair and sideburns (privileges witheld if you have too much or wrong style) also length of mens hair.

2. clothing requirements, ties/jackets/suits mandatory for ministry/talks/privileges....and sisters can freeze there ass of rather than wear a hilliary clinton pantsuit or they can not be on the school.

orangefatcat

What a bunch of hogwash the G B is, the bible says there is one mediator between God and man and that is his son Jesus Christ.

Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through me. That is in 1 Timothy 2:5,6

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life .Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

Now where oh where does it say it is only for the remnant I think these guys are smoken pot or on crack cocaine because they sure as heck have their own interpretation of scripture that is only unique to them.

orangefatcat

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GB directly appointed by Jesus, what is the WT reference in 2001?

by cyberguy in

hey folks,.

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orangefatcat

You would think that all of a sudden they believe in the divine right of Kings or to that effect. Yes we are the divine right of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is an arrogant statement just as bad as the royals make there statement of Divine right.

Surely if they were appointed by Jesus Christ, would Christ have allowed the witnesses to protect pedophiles, I can say a resounding NO to that. Christ would be ashamed of them. I feel that it was God's holy spirit that directed Barbara Anderson to make copies of the secret files that Society tried to keep under lock and key. Didn't the G.B. for one miniute think they were doing was wrong? That reminds me of the text in the Bible where the Isrealites were to destroy everything that was the enemies and to take no spoils, but two tried to take items and God's spirit wasn't upon Isreal for God knew of the theft and so when the couple were found out they were destroyed.... for trying to cover over their sin. Well nothing stays hidden forever from God or Christ. All that is dark comes into the light. By their works you will see what they are. Well we see that the WTS tried to fool the holy spirit and JesusChrist. And lets not stop there, how about the UN situation? Malawi? Blood and Transplants. and other matters witnesses may not even know about.

That old adage you can fool some of the people some of the time, well some people might try that with God, try to fool God some of the time, but God knows all the time and there is no way you can fool God any time.

Orangefatcat

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As a JW were You Told to Not Report or Be Silent about Child Abuse ?

by flipper in

as most of you know in 2002 barbara anderson and bill bowen were on the dateline program which revealed that child abuse victims had been theatened with disfellowshipping from the jehovah's witnesses for reporting child abuse to the police and authorities .

and this actually happened to many victims and their families for standing up in behalf of the safety of abused children !.

most here are aware of the out of court child abuse settlements the wt society made with 16 witness child abuse victims in 2007. a gag order was placed on victims so they would not speak of their experiences with the media.

orangefatcat

the more I read all this the more my blood cringes. how disgusting these pedophiles are, yet the elders are just as disgusting as them, for not doing a thing about it. It makes me ill inside out when I read of small helpless children being threatened if they should utter a word ,then the pedophile threatens he or she will injure their families or kill them should the child so much as say anything to anyone. I am certain there are probablely many other children who are molested who out of sheer terror who haven't said anything and are still being molested on a daily basis',and that makes me just ache inside out for these innocent ones.

some of those high and mighty elders ought to be shot for the letting pedophiles get away with it. and they turn around and threaten the victim and the victims family. oh yes, indeed what a spiritual organziation alright a spiritual pedophile paradise is more like it. if an elder told me to shut up and say nothing and to wait on Jehovah I would ask him if it were his child would he follow his own counsel. I doubt if very much. I would love to take my fist and punch some peoples lights out permanently. I am enraged outraged at this, as my own uncle raped his own children. he went to prison but they should have thrown away the key and let him rot like they should do the same to all pedophiles throw away the key and forget about them.

I hope that theWTS goes broke with all the compensation they will have to pay out to all the victims they have protected. And lets just see how long the WTS lasts. what sickens me is that the Organization tried to shut everyone up and I praise the Lord above for having a wonderful person with a conscience to or maybe God directed Barbara Anderson to get copies of the cases of pedophilia and sexual molestations and perversions of everykind. it took tremendous courage on her part. i really believe in my heart that the true God aided her in getting the truth out of Bethel and all the other ones that aided her and has made the WTS squirm so badly it is hitting their precious glass Tower. I know Christ Jesus is cleansing those who are an abomination to the Lord. The Organization doesn't need our help they are doing a fine job of wrecking themselves.

We thank those who had and still have the courage and bravery to see that justice was and is being done and that the WTS is suffering and to all of you who have been ravaged by evil persons my fervent prayer is that you eventually come to some sort of inner peace, I know you will never forget what has been done to you but perhaps knowing that others care so much for you and that the true God really loves you and cares about you you can attain to some kind of inner peace.

Those who were your attackers let them rot in hell or if there is a place where these kind of people belong let them know what evil they committed to innocent children. You are parasites and pigs and deserve all that will be metted out to you by God, I am not you judge God is, and we all know what God thinks of people who practise what evil you have done so i am only re-iterating what the Bible hold out for you.

Orangefatcat's heart goes out to all you who have been vicitms and I pray that God's Holy spirit comforts you each and everyday. And may the peace ofGod be with you, everyday of you life.

Terry

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Demons

by Amha·aret in

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i've been corresponding with a dub via email, talking about mostly evolution but now the subject has changed.

she reckons there is proof for poltergeists and other demonic happenings.

many dubs, including my parents-in-law and local elders, have similar tales.

orangefatcat

I have on several occasions discussed my mothers involvement with occultism and demonism which would be in the archives on this board but don't ask me how to find them as I haven't got the foggiest as to retrieving the older posts. However my mother was a real spook. She scared me pretty much during the years until I left home and then it was peaceful and her rantings and hysteria I didn't miss one bit. Peace at last.

But trust me she did have demons attackst her and other things as well. And i had all the nightmares.

Orangefatcat.

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A New Chapter Is opening up in my Life.

by orangefatcat in

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friends

well as some of you know that on january the 25th, i was confirmed at my church st paul's.

finally after 45 years my day came.

it was a magnificent sunday.

orangefatcat

I see where you are coming from AAG, It is true that many things were and are done wrong in the name of Chirst.

All religions have to take blame for some of the terrible deeds and atrocities that have been done, even the JW's and they profess they never have done anything wrong in the name of God. How about Malawi, for starters.

We all know this to be wrong with all religions.

All know how terrible the depths of evil committed by the Catholic Church were over the centuries, murdering, torturing, the inquistion, treachery , and then the torture chambers . but so was the Church of England, the Puritans all of the religions had open wicked acts and some were skeletons in closets.

The Puritans that settled in the New Colonies in the 17th Century, well if you were a tad bit different you could be charged with witch craft and burned alive at the stake for all to witness. How terrible, just like Nero and others in Rome who burned alive Christains to light up the Colisium at night and then how they had the lions let out of their pits to eat the Christians alive. Yes the annuals of history are full of bloodshed and horror.

We know that the Catholic Church publically apolizied for the atrocites they committed over the centuries. At least they accepted responsibility for what they did, however nothing can turn the clock back on history it happened and that is it. It is what we learn from history that we never do it again. (its an apology a little to late. ) I suppose they needed to appease their souls. What ever the reason only they know. I don't condemn them or any one for that matter it is up to God. He is their judge. I am not picking on the Catholic Church either.

We need to learn from past errors, the same with all religions. The Church of England as well. It was just as bad. The Crusades the Knights Templars the Cathars, I mean the list goes on and on. How many wives Did King Henry the V111 behead? And in the end after all the fighting to become head ot the Church of England, he ended up being buried as a Catholic. They truly believed they needed to convert the infidels into believers of the Church and Christ, and I suppose that is how they justified what they did. Thank God we don't do this today.. Well I should take that back look at Hitler, Mussulini, Stalin, and Obama Bin Laden. and all the others who have committed genocide.

If you are turned off by religion that is quite alright this is your choice and no one has the right to make you change,

However in my instance I can overlook the centuries past and even the mistakes of this age because we all make mistakes and need forgiveness and that is why Christ gave His life for us so that we are to become reconciled to God through Christs sacrifice. Those who refuse it will have to answer at the day of judgement. Every last one of us and that includes me.

The witnesses are a cult, maybe some people think religions are cults I don't know, but my reason for becoming a priest is to serve Christ Jesus, our Heavenly Father, and to work with people and guide peoples hearts toward s the grace of our Lord. I want to be a humble servant, being willing enough to wash the feet of anyone or to forgo sleep if I am needed in the middle of the night to help a sheep in the flock, or if someone is ill or down trodden I will do all I can with the help of the Holy Spirit and the support of my Saviour to be a true shepherd to the flock.

I look for no praise from anyone, I am merely a person like anyone else who just wants to be used by my Heavenly Father in any capacity He choses for me.

If our Lord says we must forgive then we must as this is the second greatest commandment given to us. to love our neighbour as ourselves and if we can do that then we are fulfulling the law of Love and forgiveness will come easier. Loving God with all our heart, mind , soul and body makes it so much easier.

As I stated at the outset, this is how I feel, and I am not imposing my feelings on any one, I just wanted to share and to let you know how I felt about this door that is openning in my life. Just before I end this there is one thing I would like to say and I am not trying to give anyone a guilt trip so please don't take it that way. What saddens me the most is to see how many of the exjw's have completely stop believing in Christ Jesus and our Heavenly Father. I know you have been badly burned in the organization, but we can't blame God and Christ for the stupidity of the WTS's teachings and manmade rules. Don't allow yourself to be robbed of your belief in God and Christ because of the witnesses. There are some wonderful people in many fasinating walks of life, and by looking and seeking I know you will find happiness and peace again with our Lord and Saviour Christ.

Keep well my friends.

Orangefatcat.

Terry

PS thanks for the PM but I couldn't read them as they are encrypted and I don't know what to do to be able to read them . Any one know how I can do that please and thanks.

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Jesus said a "helper" would come, Holy Spririt...so why the FDS???

by oompa in

john14:25-26)25 "while remaining with you i have spoken these things to you.

26 but the helper, the holy spirit, which the father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things i told you.

jesus said the father would send the helper, and he identified it.

orangefatcat

quite an interesting thought oompa, The Holy Spirit was all that was needed not a class of men to say they are spirit directed channel used by God because that is not in the Bible.

have you ever wondered if the WTS ever looks at what we post and if it sounds logical would they actually change their thoughts from something they have seen or here?

I bet they have.

orangefatcat