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  Cult books for JWS

  by In_between_days in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently purchased "combatting cult mind control" the book by steve hassen and found it very enlightening.

  upon the conclusion of that book i did realise once and for all that i was indeed a victim of mind control and that the organisation of jehovahs witnesses certainly qualifies as a "destructive cult" the book was of special interest to me, beacuse it was not written by an ex jw , but by an ex moonie, thus the information is not biased, being particularly written for ex jws.

  the similarities of the dubs and the moonies are quite eerie, although there are some differences.

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  Londo111

  The advantage of Combatting Cult Mind Control is that it does not mention Jehovah’s Witnesses. Therefore, it cannot be said to be critical or opposing the organization. This really helps the person waking up to process the information objectively.

  The challenge would be to get a JW to read this book. It would be within the realm of possibility they would throw the book away. It all depends on how it is presented.

  For instance, a non-JW might say, “I don’t know much about the religion you are getting involved in. I just read this book that helps a person evaluate the group they are joining. It doesn’t mention JWs. I figure there is no harm in you reading it and hearing your thoughts about it when you are done.”
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  Dungeons and Dragons, Magic: The Gathering and all the stuff you weren't allowed to play as a JW

  by marmot in

  1. social
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  by nature i'm a total geek.

  i read the lord of the rings for the first time in grade 3 and i would probably have had a 20-sided die hung around my neck if it weren't for the silly superstitious restrictions against playing rpgs among jws.

  if anything they should encourage role playing games among the youth because it'll keep them virgins forever.

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  Londo111

  A few years ago, I joined a small group to play Pathfinder (basically D&D). It was interesting and had some challenges, such as the ADD dungeonmaster losing interest in the story and switching to a new game. Or not having the energy to keep up with people 10-20 years younger than me. At midnight, I want to go to bed! I have to get up for work the next morning.

  Back in the day, I had Bard's Tale on my Commodore 64. I figured since it wasn't called D&D I could play it. Eventually I was guilted into getting rid of it. :(
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  What Made You Finally Wake Up?

  by Tenacious in

  1. social
  2. current

  hello to all.

  i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

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  Londo111

  Short story: 607 BC

  Long story:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYg5-Zrxr4I&index=2&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDObKrZeV2TAX1jZdQUaGY8
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  Londo111

  Good point: your son will have a support network should he leave. Many people here have found themselves cast out without that luxury.

  The problem is not the individuals--they are all mentally captive, just like your son, under ‘undue influence’. They sincerely believe they are being loving even when directed to act in the opposite manner. The group has a mind of its own. It’s almost as if the group mind ‘possesses’ them, overriding their authentic selves.

  Hopefully there is advice in the book Freedom of Mind that can be of use in your situation.
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  I can understand your pain…many of us here are undergoing it, if at a slightly different angle. The good thing is that you were never a JW and cannot be disfellowshipped.

  Browsing through some of your previous posts, four years is allot of indoctrination for your son. Unfortunately, this video is about those who are just getting involved, a year or less, prior to the making a commitment.

  Steven Hassan recommends appealing to the loved one’s authentic self, reminding him of happy times before the cult.

  From a JW perspective, technically there is no reason for him not to have contact with you. After all, the Bible says, “honor your father and mother”. There are even magazine quotes that show a person should not have to choose between family and religion (ironically). Perhaps sharing these quotes from their own publications could stir him to stay in contact with you.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/174959/1/No-One-Should-Be-Made-to-Choosee280a6-LIES-from-July-09-Awake

  Note the scan. In particular, the subheading, "Balancing Family Loyalty".
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  Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear non-jw:.

  do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

  there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

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  Londo111

  Dear Non-JW:

  Do you have a friend or family member who is studying? There are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organization’s unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.

  However, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference. The wrong approach might actually drive them deeper into the Jehovah’s Witness organization, not away from it. The following are a few tips that might be helpful. It is not the complete solution, but hopefully it will get you started and pointed in the right direction.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-JKQWcu63s&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgAPkxpoL6pOB0CdY5anHbLC&index=7

  Hopefully this series will provide you an understanding of the Jehovah’s Witness mindset.

  Series playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgAPkxpoL6pOB0CdY5anHbLC
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Actually the transition from 606 to 607 didn’t happen until the 40’s, post-Rutherford, and it happened by steps.

  Russell's chronology (or Barbour’s) had the 70-years end with the fall of Babylon, which was actually the right event to end the 70 years with (Jeremiah 25:12), but it was dated to 536 BC. Therefore, by subtracting 70 years from 536 BC, they came to 606 BC. That is how they dated the destruction of Jerusalem.

  As mentioned, the Gentile Times equation did not account for there being no 0 year. Therefore, 2520 years added to 606 BC, ended in 1915.

  So the chronology of calculating 1914 from Jerusalem's destruction had two errors.

  Once it became apparent that Babylon fell in 539 BC, not 536 BC, that had to be corrected. However, subtracting 70 years from that yielded 609 BC, therefore the Gentile Times equation would come out to 1912.

  So the event that ended the 70 years changed from when Babylon fell, to when the Jews returned to Jerusalem and ended the Exile. This was set at 537 BC, although there is no way to prove this from Scripture. It is conjecture. Besides, Ezra 1:1 and 3:1 seem to indicate the Jews returned in the fall of 538 BC.

  However, that was the only way they could get the Gentile Times equation to work (this time accounting for the 0 year).
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Thank you, Ann! That is a high endorsement coming from you.

  I learned a whole bunch from y'all three years ago (about this time October/November 2011). It helped me see TTATT.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/215282/1/WT-Nov-1-2011-public-When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Part-2
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  Londo111

  Tiredroadie: You have a PM.
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Londo111

  Thanks, wolfman85!

  For all the videos in one place: www.jwlove.org/607bc

  As far as the "signs of the times" to prove 1914: www.jwlove.org/1914ad