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  To Osarsif - Where are the H2O archives?

  by VM44 in

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  hi osarsif,.

  i saw you posting tonight, so i thought i woulf post this directly to you.. where are the h2o archives that you used to have at your site?.

  i hope they are still available.. --vm44

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  Question on book "Riches" (1936)

  by Osarsif in

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  "the lord has graciously provided for the publication of his message in the form of books, that the people many be informed of the truth ... those books do not contain the opinion of any man.

  " [riches (1936), pages 384-385].

  a friend of mine has that book in another language and he can't find that quote.

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  "The Lord has graciously provided for the publication of his message in the form of books, that the people many be informed of the truth ... those books do not contain the opinion of any man." [Riches (1936), pages 384-385]

  A friend of mine has that book in another language and he can't find that quote. Could any of you who have the book please tell me:

  1) The number and title of the chapter where that quote appers.
  2) The paragraph number and subtitle.

  Thanks.
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  Why do apostates ignore this???

  by TheApostleAK in

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  that ray franz used johannes greber twice as a source in the aid to bible understanding book.. from the apostle ak

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  From: http://www.premier1.net/~raines/wtgreber.html

  «[Ken Raines] asked Ray Franz, one of the compilers of the Society's Bible Encyclopedia Aid to Bible Understanding which quoted Greber twice, if he was responsible for either of those two references and if he knew who Greber was. He replied:

  "On the Aid material, all articles were always read by and, if considered necessary, edited by at least one other person on the project staff. So I am certain to have at least reviewed the writeups of the two articles you list. And I am equally certain that in doing so the thought of Greber's being connected with spiritism never entered my mind. I was doing circuit and district work in the Caribbean at the time the October 1, 1955 and February 15, 1956, articles came out with their information on Greber. I read them of course, but in the years that followed between then and the start of the Aid project in 1966, I also read thousands of articles in the 240 other Watchtowers and the 240 Awakes published during those ten years, plus many other publications. I would no more remember his name than I would remember the name of Doctor Rumble or Jean Brierre, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1955 magazine, or Bishop Samuel Fallows, mentioned on the same page with him in the 1956 issue. Had I remembered the brief mention of him in the 1955 and 1956 articles I am sure it would have caused me to express concern over the use of his translation. It was not until after leaving the Brooklyn headquarters that the issue of the propriety of quoting from Greber's translation ever came to my attention. What is true of me is, I believe, true of the others working on the Aid project.... I believe most of the staff members I knew would have conscientious qualms about quoting anything connected with spiritism, other than in discussing the wrongful aspects of spiritism..."»
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  The Theocratic Talmud You Can't Read

  by metatron in

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  a few years back, the society told congregation.

  secretaries to gather up copies of individual letters.

  and put them in a binder.

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  Introspection wrote:

  > Are any of these available online?

  http://freeminds.org/h2o/311469.html
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  JW Organization On Autopilot

  by AlanF in

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  these days it's pretty clear that the jw organization is running on autopilot.

  charles taze.

  russell, joe booze rutherford, nathan knorr and freddie franz all had a certain amount of vision.

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  AlanF wrote:

  > Neither Mary nor Malcolm had anything to do with the
  > Judge's religion after the 1920s.

  The Proclaimers book says in a footnote (p. 89 Brazilian edition) that Mary died in 1962, when she was 93 years old, and
  says she participated in the ministerial work of JWs until she
  became confined at home because of her health. This gives the
  impression that she was an active JW until shortly before her
  death. Is this false?
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  Alleged Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus

  by JanH in

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  most exjws are familiar with the claims that the gospel accounts about jesus "fulfills" around 300 prophecies in the old testament.

  this claim is taken verbatim from christian fundamentalists.

  checking out these so-called prophecies will reveal that they do not stand up to scrutiny.

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  uncle_onion wrote:

  > Can anyone recomend any books that deal with the
  > "prophecies" and whether they fulfilled or not?

  Prophecies: Imaginary and Unfulfilled
  http://infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html

  The Fabulous Prophecies Of The Messiah
  http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_lippard/fabulous-prophecies.html

  Prophecies That Came True [Not!]
  http://geocities.com/osarsif/gm9.htm
  
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  'Changes That Disturb People' Awake 4/22/70

  by ISP in

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  one of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches.

  yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong.

  have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church?

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  Osarsif

  Ros, it can be found here:
  http://geocities.com/osarsif/changes.htm

  or here:
  http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Avis=WO&Dato=20010124&Kategori=DOCTRINE1&Lopenr=612007
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  Have you heard the story about the frog?

  by ozziepost in

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  the frog was boiled alive.

  have you heard that illustration?

  its quite popular amongst jw elders in australia as a teaching aid.. the story goes something like this: a frog is placed in a container of water.

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  IS THE WTS a PROVEN FRAUD?

  by Amazing in

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  jw defenders often claim that those of us who left the wts are shipwreaked in our faith and have succumbed to apostate thinking.

  of course we challenge this with our knowledge of watch tower teaching and history, but they still fail to get the clue.

  they are caught in the mend-controlling of the watch tower and accept without facts in evidence the label placed on us of apostates.. what are the facts that prove the watch tower is a fraud?

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  Osarsif

  bigboy wrote:

  > The account about Dale and Bette baker isn't on
  > disfellowshipped.com. It was on a page called
  > http://planetwatchtower.com I think. I know it
  > was a web page set up by the couples son. I
  > tred to find it but couldn't. It contains this
  > 110 pg open letter they wrote to their fam and
  > close friends.

  Planet WT: http://geocities.com/avwxman/
  Baker's letter: http://geocities.com/avwxman/Letter5web.html
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  Convention news

  by Liberated in

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  my daughter's friend is excited about their upcoming convention.. she's been told there are many changes coming from jehovah (thru.

  the fds.).

  anybody know what these "changes" might be?

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  Osarsif

  Liberated wrote:

  > Anybody know what these "changes" might be?

  Changes in the Theocratic Ministry School, maybe:
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6643