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  Who Or What Influenced You The Most To Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  any person or situation ?.

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  • The elder I was studying with basically handing me off, like a raw piece of meat, to study the next book with a brother who'd just been reinstated just after being baptised.

  • the incessant butting into every decision I was making after baptism. There was no shortage of opinion on what I should be doing to make the congregation and the WT organization look good.

  • the almost fanatical defense of the organization even when it was clearly demonstrated that they were dead wrong

  • two elders sitting in my living room with my wife egging them on telling me in 1994, that my decision to go back to school was a waste of time, that my time would be better spent out in the ministry, and that with the degree I was pursueing, I would never make any more than the minimum wage

  • But the final straw was......one night my wife was ragging me big time about going back to meetings. She was not listening to any of my reasonings on why I did not want to and just kept up the pressure. Any reason I was giving her was not good enough.....the usualy WT drill. It got so intense, I got physically ill, had to run to the bathroom and threw up in the toilet. Coming out of the bathroom, wiping vomit from my mouth you would think she would show a little compassion???? Nope!!!!!! She just picked up right where she'd left off. At that point, I let her know, in so many word adn through the use of very colorful language, that at that point, I would never go back.

  I've since, reaffirmed to her, I think last year when she attempted to broach the subject again, that I just didn't believe any of it anymore and that I would never be going back. she was not happy, but she got over it.
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  Memorial musings

  by undercover in

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  things i thought about during the memorial talk last night:.

  i don't know if it was just the memorial i went to or if this was across the board, but it seems that the talk was dumbed down a bit more than it had been in the past.

  not that it wouldn't surprise me if was dumbed down.

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  And don't you love how someone has to pass the emblems in front of the guys who just walked all around the all carrying them? I mean, if they wanted to, they could have taken a nibble or sip any time they wanted. Why all the ritual? And the speaker. He's standing next to the table the entire time. He could've just grabbed some when they set it back down...but noooo, we gotta make it a point to give him the plate/glass for him to acutally take in hand and hand back. Growing up in it, I never thought about it, but now it just looks stupid and ritualistic.

  That did that shit at the service I attended with my wife. I actually winced and looked at my wife "WTF!!!!" was that all about; that was the stupidest bullshit i've ever seen.. It all looked so ritualistic and cultish.

  When I've went with her in the past, I usually just sit all the way in the back, but I was far enough in the front to see it this time.

  Where is that scripture in the Bible that points out all those people who were observers, passing cheapwine and flat bread to and fro from each other without taking part as a commandment to do so.
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  "after all the JWs pioneered bloodless surgery”

  by hopelesslystained in

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  this is what my elderete (sp?

  ) aunt, wife to presiding elder uncle, stated to all the family and medical staff present as my dad was being wheeled in for hip surgery.

  i have been out for 30+ years.

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  How Old Were You When You First Became "Aware" ...

  by snowbird in

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  ... of the opposite sex?.

  it was the summer of 1966; i was a few months shy of being 13; it happened on our church ground.. i was hurrying between two vehicles to get into the building, when someone blocked my way.. annoyed, i looked up to find this cute, cute guy looking at me appreciatively.. he asked my name.. i froze and blushed profusely, agitated and confused at the tingling feeling in my tummy.. i didn't bother to answer him, but turned in the opposite direction and rushed into the safety of the church.. i sat down beside my mother, took her fan and fanned myself furiously!.

  afterwards, i told an older sister about the incident.. she gave me an envious stare and chided me for being so doggone shy.. ah, memories .... syl.

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  I think I first became "aware" of the opposite sex at in about the fifth grade. There was this girl, I can still remember her name, Lisa, and her friend Sherry who sat next to me in class.

  two cuties......

  Last I heard or saw of either of them, Sherry was still very good looking though married and Lisa was a lesbian.
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  Watchtower - simple doctrine for simple people

  by jwfacts in

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  i know there are some intelligent witnesses that really research their beliefs, but the more i learn, the simpler and more ignorant watchtower doctrine appears.

  that opinion is certainly not helped by some of the apologists that appear on this site.

  most watchtower doctrine is a product of the black and white syndrome, where all the obvious shades of grey in between are simply ignored with statements such as "wait on jehovah".

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  I faced it last year and admitted to myself = The JW's are simply a big business posing as a religion!

  A very shabbily run business at that. I've realized long ago that that religion had all the characteristics of a multi-level marketing scheme. The bottom layer is constantly churning to support the elite at the top who hold it together through threats of familial isolation, violence, threats and intimidation. Like an Amway or Avon salesman, you have to constantly be hawking the product and not listening to any criticisms of it from anyone. Your success is constantly dependent upon how many people you have in your downline.

  It has no qualms about inefficiently wasting people's time and resources for the benefit of getting its product out and recruiting more and more members at the "associate\publisher" level. It takes a large number of people at the bottom layer who've been conditioned to check their critical thinking skills and individuality at the door to keep that organization running. they take every advantage of that statement by PT Barnum, there's a sucker born every minute!.
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  Higher Education may lower Blood Pressure ???????

  by wasblind in

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  http://chronicle.com/article/higher-education-means-lower/126535/.

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  Using Watchtower speak, I wrote a paper that I thought was the shizzle.

  The professor laughed and ripped it apart right in front of my very eyes.

  One day I was with my witness wife at a "gathering" ( I just hate that JW-centric word) and the subject of me going to school came up. The JW, wife of an elder, lady we were talking to condescendingly rolled her eyes, looked at my wife and stated "he's not going to be one of those career students is he?". She then begins to go on and on about the best school to be in is the theocratic ministry school and how what is learned there is so superior to anything else.

  Funny thing is, the subject of my educational goal came up just recently with the wife. She commented on how studious I was, how seriously i took my studies, and that she had no doubt that I could handle masters and doctorate level work. I graduate with a BA degree this year. Didn't have the heart to tell her that I was wayyy ahead of her in this regard and have already chosen a couple of masters degree level programs to apply for.
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  I forgot my parents' anniversary

  by mrsjones5 in

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  hubby turned to me a couple of days ago and said "it's your parents' anniversary" and i said "who?

  " hubby replied "exactly" and laughed.

  i wasn't being facetious, i just didn't hear what he said but totally understand why hubby would say "exactly".

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  That Spike Lee film was called School Daze.
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  My GF Told Me She Got Invited To Go To Dinner By A Very Nicely Dressed Man

  by minimus in

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  get this: she called me up to tell me a well dressed man came to her house and actually invited her for dinner, a "meal" at the local kingdom hall on the memorial evening.. he gave her the invitation to enjoy the meal with him and quite a few other people on the night the "meal" was being served.. i explained to her that the dinner only consisted of wine and unleavened bread and that she could only watch the bread and wine being passed but if she got a hold of the plate or the cup she had to just give it the next person.. she asked, "you mean there's no dinner like he said?

  " i answered there was not.

  and she said, "then forget it then!"..

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  then try to weasel out of leaving a proper tip.

  Hey!!!!!

  You know damn well that table overflowing with old issues of WT and Awake magazines are the best tips those waiters can get!!!!! That is lifesaving information, much more valuable than that 15-20% that should've been left at the table.
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  Hey, Everyone! Guess What!

  by FollowedMyHeart in

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  i am officially a 34-year-old college freshman!

  woo hoo!!!!!.

  due to my current situation, i am taking on-line classes for the summer semester.. i am finally getting this college thing going!

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  Congratulations

  you'll never forget the moment you get that first College degree. It will have a much greater impact on your life than being dunked in bleached water by a man you'd otherwise never let touch you.
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  oh God.......

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i'm watching the 2nd louis theroux visit to the phelps.

  i don't feel so well..

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  Couldn't even finish watch that pile of $h!t.