hello everyone,.
i am bill's wife.he just called me from washington and told me to let you all know that erica won her case today!.
that sick child molesting bastard is in jail now as we speak.. his sentencing is set for september 24th i think.. one down many more to go.. thanks to all who have supported this cause.. sheila
WOO-HOO!!!
SO excited to get this news!
Am looking forward to Bill's full report upon his return. Meantime, thanks to you, Sheila, for your stand and your loving support of Bill and all the Ericas, outspoken or not! I know he spends many, many hours working the phones on this.
Isn't this fabulous, folks?!!???
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.
this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.
i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.
JT --
Despite what larc and SusanHere say, I don't believe the Masons are benign. I don't know that I believe that ALL Masons are involved in ritual child sexual abuse, either, but don't doubt that it happened to poor Spike. (I'm sorry for your pain, Spike.)
I have read that wiccan and satanic ritual are part of the order's proceedings the higher up that you go. I know that there are secret handshakes and symbols wielded somehow as part of the various ceremonies. In the Mason Bible that I own, the secret parts in the
"Opening the Lodge" "The Preparation Room" "Initiation" "Passing" and "Raising" rituals are signified by asterisks in the appropriate places.
I have also read that a Mason who dares to share any Masonic secrets is sentenced to death. Not sure if this is murder or a "spiritual death" like shunning. But the initiate isn't told until the end of the initiation that the penalty for leaving or leaking details is death. (Kind of like how a baptismal candidate NOT having grown up around "da troof" is never told how "disfellowshipping" works even though they go through the lengthy three part question process?!?)
Therefore, to my mind, if there is fear used to keep a member under control, the group cannot be benign, no matter what their CORE beliefs are. As JT said, there's just too much FREAKY STUFF!!!!
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
was in a chat room the other night and this guy quotes ezekiel 34 at me - says it refers to those considered apostates by the wt society.
interestingly v14 sounds like the net to me ... comments welcomed ...
Verse 14 (NIV): I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture on the mountains of Israel.
OK. I give. How is this like the internet? Unless we "true" sheep are devouring the "WT" mountain of Israel?
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
got this off another message board.. "no jehovah's witnesses or burglars allowed.
occupant is armed and probably not passed out.
"
bttt!
This one deserves to make more than 68 readers laugh!!!
thanks, JeffT!
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Just speaking from a pure PUBLICITY standpoint, there is a reason to keep things under wraps until the best time to unveil them.
Once the lawsuit in NH was publically announced, the BEST thing any of us can do is to "advertise, advertise, advertise"!
I happened to be out of town and electronically incommunicado when the press release was finally made. Looked to see the reaction here when I got back over the weekend, but didn't find this particular thread until today.
I am interested to hear what hawk has to say about this case, and I agree that CommieChris' insight would also be helpful as his specialty, I believe, is [Canadian] constitutional law.
But MadApostate, I find it really hard to believe that you are NOT some sort of legal professional (perhaps you attended law school, then, but decided to pursue another career?) because you seem so well-educated (for an ex-JW) in these matters?
I "googled" and found the Boston Herald(?) article that stated that the Rees case would not be heard by the U.S. A shame, but true.
I would like to see Utopian Reformist's findings, too. Will they dispute the newspaper article and Maximus' post? I somehow doubt it.
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
"i'm glad the men are in charge" .
elena chernomazova .
many muscovites have probably met a number of young men and women on the city's streets, young people with a sunny smile on their faces, who invite all passers-by to come to their place for a meeting, to learn the truth, enter into a spiritual brotherhood, etc.
LOL @ Dedalus!
It was a joke, Bboy 2, Kent will understand....
Kent
I read the title and thought to myself "Bah!"
But now I just want to gag!
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
this is my first time on a message board relating to anything jw.
i haven't posted anything in the past because i still held to the fear that it would be betraying what i was taught, betraying my family, betraying god.
this is precisely my life as it is now.
Kat_.
It seems to me your Dad's attitude may have little to do with thinking that you're brainless rather than with a sincere belief that children are better off raised by their parents. If it is at all financially possible to do so, I'd counsel not returning to work, either, until your kids are at least in grade 1. But sometimes that is NOT possible, so you do what you have to. Dad's generally want their little girls taken care of, because that's what they feel they did all their lives.
However, I DO understand how insulted you feel when your parents act as though you could not have come up with a coherent thought on your own.
When you said:
She has no respect for me as an individual thinker...just as her daughter. Does that make sense?
about your mother, it made PERFECT sense to me. You are an extension of her -- you are like a medal on her chest. How you turn out reflects on her ability and wisdom as a parent. This is likely why you are so frightened to tell her about your lapsed Memorial attendance and lack of belief in the Organization. You sense how that would shake her perception of HERSELF. And you don't want to hurt her. (along with not wanting to put yourself in the position of being the recipient of her actions to "save" you! lol) Am I even close?
Keep writing as many lengthy posts as you want, Kat_.
We just LOVE Motor Mouths !!!!
outnfree
(known as a pretty productive Motor Mouth herself!)
if you've followed the news in the past couple of years or so you'll know that the ira has a splinter group called the real ira.... a group of friends and i were having a laugh about this after they commited their first terrorist outrage.
how anyone can consider blowing people up when they are shopping any 'realer' than the original ira i don't know, but we thought, if there's a real ira, maybe there are other splinter groups.. like the surreal ira, who yell 'bang' loudly in public places instead of blowing up bombs.. or the minimalistic ira who have very, very small bombs.. or the nihlistic ira, who just can't be bothered with blowing things up.. or the mime ira who throw themselves to the ground and cover themselves in ketchup.. this, and the habit of brands of food, drink, and cleaning products to add 'new' in front of their name at the slightest opportunity got me to thinking about 'new light'.. in all its forms.... new light; we weren't wrong, we just... weren't... er... right, but we are now.. newer light; well, we knew we were, er, er, unright!
brilliant!, we knew we were unright, but it turns out the new right we were after we were unright is actually unright, but we are sure we are right now.. ultra light; would you believe we were unright again?
roflol, Abaddon!!!
Thanks for belly laugh to start my day. This is a keeper, printing it now...
outnfree
outnfree
Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
life never fits into boxes.
is that because adam sinned?
for instance, do lions eat meat because man is sinful?.
You crack me up, Dan, you really do!!!!
joelbear,
I have no idea. Perhaps lions eat meat because it was all part of God's plan that his creatures only remain strict vegetarians for longer than 8 years so as to be able to discern whether or not they were following the true religion (ask dogpatch, he'll tell ya. lol). That might explain why He made lions with teeth that can really take a bite out of you, no?
outnfree
Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
here is a rough version of a letter i intend to send to the society regarding an article in the july 1 2001 watchtower about doubt.. any suggestions on how i can improve the letter?.
also what are the odds on getting in big trouble in sending this?.
dear friend ,.
It's a good letter, sleepy.
Just check over your grammar and the use of "except" when you mean to say "accept."
I'm with both DorkyD00d and neyank in that if you expect an answer, it will be a non-answer, and thus if you sign your name you WILL receive a shepherding call. So do you want one at this point?
What would "getting into big trouble" mean for you? Disciplinary action? DF'ing probably wouldn't result if you made satisfactory answers to the "Do you believe that this is GOD's organization" type questions that the elders will pose when they meet with you. After writing such a splendid letter, would you be willing to backpedal rapidly locally to save your social (and familial?) contacts within JWdom?
Or perhaps not, and just the posting of the letter here will have helped you to vent your frustrations and be enough for the present?
Interesting that there are so many articles on "Doubt" lately, no?
The elders had me reading one that was studied back in March -- so likely a February 2001 WT article? Funnily enough, it told me to study the Bible and spend more time in prayer and meditation -- the very activities which helped lead me out, out, OUT!!!
which is why I'm now,
outnfree
