Do non JW brands of Christianity or Mormom hold to the idea that the United States as a country has divine providence or backing to the exclusion of other countries? If so what supports this position?
tootired2care
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One country under god or all countries under god?
by tootired2care indo non jw brands of christianity or mormom hold to the idea that the united states as a country has divine providence or backing to the exclusion of other countries?
if so what supports this position?.
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Do You Know C.R.A.P. ?
by Perry inthere is no shortage of ex-elders, behelites, ex-circuit overseers on this forum that continue to spout their hatred for christians, even as they did while leading their former adherents down the same path.
the new religion for these preachers of paradise, is materialism.
in their view, science is the arbitrator of truth.
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tootired2care
I know I don't speak for everyone Nambo, but I feel that most who come out do not respect religion anymore at all. Ideas are freely expressed here without the worry about what someone comes out thinks. We put the information out there and let them decide. So if you feel strongly about religion feel free to start threads advocating for it; be sure to provide good reasons to back up what your saying though, there are many skeptics here.
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consider this folks
by maccauk11 inthere is no church anymore.
there is no sin.
jesus put an end to it all.
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tootired2care
What about all of the problems with the bible though? Is that something that is endorsed by Christ or not?
The bible does state in Revelation to get out of her (religion) so you're spot on there. The go to where part is nebulous though.
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Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?
by cantleave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.
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tootired2care
Great discussion, I had to skim a lot of it, thanks for the summary NC.
Sab - speaking of black holes and the universe, how do you feel about the fact that the Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with ours? What does this randomness, entropy and choas tell you?
The truth is there is simply no evidence for god!
It seems there is mounting evidence that he really does not care assuming he is there at all.
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God - is this really what you had planned for your righteous ones?
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tootired2care
The shattered remains of planets that bear a striking resemblance to our own Earth have been found around white dwarf stars - offering a vision of what will one day happen to our planet.
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God - is this really what you had planned for your righteous ones?
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tootired2care
Actually I don't believe it.
I do agree that the sun will go first, but this fact that the Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with the milky way speaks volumes about the universes entropy rather than perfect harmonious order as some would have us believe. I mean after all, this is the planet that God terraformed for everlasting life, it stands to reason that the evidence that we cleary see today should not be a reality if the bibles claims were true.
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God - is this really what you had planned for your righteous ones?
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tootired2care
Many have arrogantly made the claim (myself included at before I woke up) that we knew that there is a God who cares about us, evidenced by the fact that he created this beautiful home for us, sent his son etc. To add to this arrogance the bibles says that the almighties sovereignty is tied up with humans on this spec of nothing in the universe, known as planet earth, which the bible claims will stand to time indefinite.
Eccl 1:4
4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.5 And the sun also has flashed forth, and the sun has set, and it is coming panting to its place where it is going to flash forth.
Ps 104:5
He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
Ps 37:29 (NIV)
The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.
How can one reconcile that this, or any of the bibles claims, that God really cares, given these following facts/contradictions? These facts below plainly establish that the earth and by extension our galaxy really aren’t designed to last to time indefinite, as the bible puts it. In fact we see complete entropy and destruction headed straight out way!
- Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with the Milky Way galaxy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda%E2%80%93Milky_Way_collision
- The Suns finite lifespan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Life_cycle
The righteous that will inherit the land forever, might want to hedge their bets and think about building some space craft instead of blindly following a spirit in the sky.
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3.5 years vs. a lifetime of going door to door.
by tootired2care indid it bug you as a witness that jesus only had to go from door to door for 3.5 years, and he was done; while he demanded that you do it for your whole life without preparing for the morrow?
i just remember a few years back reflecting on the daunting prospect of doing it my whole life if the end didn't come - "sooner rather than later".
what are your thoughts?.
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tootired2care
Okay tomato tamoto...i'll re-iterate my earlier point because at the end of the day this technicality doesn't matter; it's all still the same burdensome nonsense, that Jesus only had to do 3.5 years while demanding that his followers to do it their whole life.
At the end of the day I'm not really too concerned with this, because the life that the bible asks us to live as Christians witnesses or not, is cruel and a pointless waste of time and potential. Perhaps I should have titled the thread "3-5-years-vs-a-lifetime-of-preaching", does it really matter? Market place to market place, door to door, the annoying labor intensive, no-gain work is required of a Christian is still the same for all practical purposes, is it not? Can you really say you're a true Christian if your not activley preaching in some form? Matt 6:33 and other such texts that give you the impression that God is somehow magically helping you with this work is crap.
The last 2,000 years of history and confusion from all religious texts have plainly shown that all religion is futility and only produces bad fruit in the end. Thanks to people like Christopher Hitchins, and the many people on this board that have helped me on my path to freedom.
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Exit Strategy - My plan to leave
by FrankWTower ini've been intellectually awake for about three years now.
it's taken me time but i've figured out an exit strategy to leave the jw's as frictionless as possible.
it's impossible to leave with my dignity in tact but, leaving will be worth it.
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tootired2care
Great plan, please let us know how it turns out. Soon I'll need to start filling in the social gaps after I leave.
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3.5 years vs. a lifetime of going door to door.
by tootired2care indid it bug you as a witness that jesus only had to go from door to door for 3.5 years, and he was done; while he demanded that you do it for your whole life without preparing for the morrow?
i just remember a few years back reflecting on the daunting prospect of doing it my whole life if the end didn't come - "sooner rather than later".
what are your thoughts?.
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tootired2care
I am having fun, and I think I've decided I'm going to try and quote more scripture texts in my commentaries on religious subjects and God, to keep exposing Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam for what it all really is CRAP. I don't know if you've checked out much of Christopher Hitchins debates with the religious but they are very intersting. I appreciate how he is familiar with the religious texts, which really helped to expose so much incorrect thinking about what religion really is in his debates.
I say to everyone who is poaching these threads for new converts - don't think that JW's are the boogie man here, they are really just a symptom of a much deeper problem, which is well founded in biblical texts and God's inaction.
