i first found and read this book as a young man during the early 1980s while visiting the bethel library.
this library was located at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses in brooklyn new york.
this book exists in its form now because of the interest that religion's leaders had in the original work seola, from where this book was adapted.
As a book it's a probably only a compelling read to those who have some interest in the Biblical account of the flood.
As far as it really being of demonic origin I don't think it is such, at least not any more so than any other book.
I bought your book and enjoyed it by the way. I hope it's doing well for you. I know it's a lot of work and takes a lot of dedication to write a book.
FG
my judicial meeting was 6 weeks or more ago, and still no action.
i used a lawyer and a letter to them after i had already met with them and admitted everything.
the crazy part was they didn't tell me that night if i was df or not.
I guess it still depends on your circumstances and the facts of the case. All other things being equal then probably the hiring of a lawyer will not go in your favor from their point of view, as others have already commented.
But ultimately the elders may have simply not have found grounds for DF. It's hard to know without knowing more about it.
I'm sure we're all interested in the possible legal loophole and how this progresses for you.
On a personal level, I wish you all the best with the outcome insofar as keeping unity with your family.
FG
10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
OP....I'd love to consider your point. But when you say that your argument caused an elder to immediately resign and never attend another meeting....you immediately lost me. Makes me think you're a bit delusional. XstuckX
I wouldn't so quickly dismiss the power of this (and other) arguments on the blood doctrine to move elders to resign. It's one of those topics that is very personal to some people for obvious reasons. Unlike 1914 which some can just move into the category of "I'll pretend it doesn't matter for now", that is not the case when the blood doctrine is clearly exposed to be unscriptural. The finer point of the law that Cofty uses are incontrovertible in making the necessary point, and yet they are dealt with in such an illogical way in official JW doctrine.
As an extension of Cofty's points it is good to be familiar with the ways that the Jews interpret their own law of Moses under the principle of "Pikuach Nefesh". The principles are completely in harmony with the Mosaic Law and yet clearly demonstrate the boundaries at which the treatment of blood itself becomes secondary to the preservation of life. And it's all based on scripture.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Cofty
After all your vitriolic protestations against the idea that we might not know everything, and that some of what we might not know might have a bearing on the subject under discussion, you recently posted on your other thread:
Living with unanswered questions is human. What we ought to avoid is pretending to know things we can't know.
If our belief is commensurate with the evidence and beyond that we can say, "I don't know" we are being reasonable.
Cofty
greetings, friends:.
wishing you well today.
below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.
CoCo
Your words are always so refereshing. It is an unlikely forum for someone to so frequently inject such moments of grace. And yet you keep them coming. Please never stop posting your elegant words.
I miss Leolaia very much for her tremendous clarity and depth of research. If you were ever to go, I would very much miss you for your genuinely heartfelt feeling and awesome style.
FG
just curious..
It depends on several variables:
1) your status in the congregation and personal circumstances.
2) the supposed purpose of the visit.
3) the "modus operandi" of the local elder body.
4) what you want the outcome to be.
There may be more, but that was a quick off the top of my head list.
All other things being equal, mainly just be polite and say nothing of consequence.
However if they are good God-fearing men, and you have a situation they might be able to help with, then don't dismiss the possibility that they might be able to do just that. But, as with most things in life, proceed with caution.
i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.
they were together for a period of years.
he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.
It's a tricky one. Elders, CO's and service desks have an aversion to this scenario, understandably.
The signing of the papers seals the marriage. There is no way around that. As far as then breaking it for non-con, I have seen situations where the elders breath a sigh of relief if the "performing" spouse just gets it over with with someone else. They may or may not be DF'ed depending on how big of a performance they put on in the JC. A performance is good because then the "annulment" can take place without anyone getting DF'ed. Everyone's a winner! The elders end up feeling justified in doing what they "naturally feel is right" even though the Bible doesn't really make allowance for it in relation to 21st century law.
three plus years ago i had an experience that started to open my eyes to ttatt and it was about blood.
my wife was 9 months pregnant with my son and the baby was too big for us to have it at home with the assistance of a midwife.
at the hospital we met with the doctor and it was obvious that a c section was a possibility as well, again do to the size of the baby.
... so we met with a sister from the JW liaison committee ...
I thought all HLC are men. Perhaps she was indeed a fraud.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
This thread was supposedly against God on the basis that if he existed he would be inconsistent with his own rules.
