Oh Jeez, "Scholar" is back, peddling the same old nonsense that has been debunked on here so often, don't engage with the Troll.
Posts by Phizzy
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277Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
Thanks Doug,
That is a question that has long occurred to me, as I have seen both dates mentioned, usually together as in " 587 or 586 BCE " or sometimes as 587/586 BCE. I wondered where the doubt as to pinpointing the exact date came from, so thank you for your research and for Posting it here.
Of course this is of no huge importance to most people, even serious Scholars of the Bible perhaps, but if one gets in to a discussion with a believing J.W, to have a hint of doubt, even a month or two, is something they will latch on to to try to discredit the proof. Of course in doing so they would still be ignoring the circa 20 year error in their own organizations spurious and ridiculous claim about the date of Jerusalem's destruction.
If my memory serves, a Poster on here some years ago, Ann O'Mally (I think that name is a pun !) showed that the Babylonian Clay tablets we have about their Astronomical calculations prove the year was 587 BCE too.
Thank you again.
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JW.Org data
by snare&racket into think they have hung the blue and white sign on every building they own in the world and that this was a publicity campaign with the presumed backing of the god of the universe....... it's not going well.. despite the 8.5 million followers, who through design have to visit the site......it isn't even in the top ten..... top fifty..... top one hundred ......top two hundred visited sites globally.. users on average click through 7 pages per visit and don't stay long, averaging about a minute a page.. as for the data on its search over time 'jw.org' is now googled globally at a rate less than 25% of its peak and is usually associated for a search for the daily text.. .
between this and the carts, the only message getting through to real people is 'child abuse' and that woman from king of queens taking an interest!.
i sincerely think we are seeing evidence of what has been anecdotal decline...... waited long enough for it!.
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Phizzy
A small diversion from the main Topic, but a while ago I told a friend that I had to attend a Funeral in a certain locality, " Oh is that at such and such Church ?" he asked, I said no "at the local J.W one", he said "exactly where is that then ?" so I told him, and he said " Oh I thought that was a Business premises, with that Logo on it".
Another FAIL for JW Org, of course he was right, it is a Business Premises !
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Thirty years a tower slave
by rickroll ini was with my brother in law when we were in service and given this book.
i have posted on this before but it got me to thinking.
it was taken from us by the local elder we talk to about it.
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Phizzy
Doesn't Schnell's book end by saying something like if he saw the predictions from JW's about 1975 and Armageddon come true he would not be surprised ? if I am thinking about the right book ?
If so, he, or the Author of the book I am thinking about, lost all credibility with us JW's who read it at the time. If he had spent more effort, and found out and exposed the JW teachings as being in error, he would have done some good, and maybe I would have got out Decades earlier !
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My appreciation e-mail to Irwin Zalkin Law firm ( Child abuse )
by smiddy3 inhi friends ,i sent an e-mail to the irwin zalkin law firm in the usa ,i`m in australia ,thanking them for going to bat for all those sexually abused in the jehovah`s witness religion.. just letting them know that what they are achieving is not going unnoticed by ex -jw`s around the world with the success they are having and hopefully will continue to do.. that was yesterday .. today i received a reply ,thanking me for my kind words ,and that they are doing the best they can.. it was nice for such a prompt reply.. i just thought i would share that with you all..
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Phizzy
Finky's Post began " The only way the WTS/JWorg. can impede pedophilia happening within the organization......." and I agree with the rest of his Post.
But there is a further way to impede Abuse of the vulnerable happening, and also having the benefit of stopping Litigation against J.W Org, and that would be for a simple programme of protection to be set up.
This is something every Congregation, no matter what size could do.
Nearly all Sporting Clubs and other Associations have adopted the following, my own small village Club included.
Any vulnerable person, Child ( i.e under 18) or Adult has to be accompanied by a " Chaperone", either a parent or someone appointed by a Parent or Guardian. If this is not possible to arrange, the vulnerable person CANNOT attend a function or event or anything at the Club. Each Club has an appointed Officer or Officers in charge of seeing the Protection Programme is working, and that Members adhere to all advice, for example, when using a Washroom or similar, and a vulnerable person enters alone, any Adults must leave the Room immediately. There are other features to the Programme, but you get the idea.
If little Village Clubs can do this, all Congregations of JW's can do it.
Would you not think that "God's Spirit Directed Org" would be ahead of the Game on this,. not so far behind ?
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Activism Works, Success :UPDATE
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inactivism success update:.
hi all, just wanted to update you on further to my post (link https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6235349429780480/activism-works-success ).. as usual we were in the park this weekend gone (the two bros fading, my good friend and i).we went for a coffee later.
as we were walking to the coffee place we passed a lady and i mentioned that "she lived on my street , near my house.
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Phizzy
I reckon Zing is doing a great job, leading these horses to water ( of truth) and getting them to drink. I also feel Zing knew about the history of the Christadelphians ( an interesting one), but used the opportunity to ask a leading question, not to leap in and show his/her ? knowledge.
This must be one of the few ways to get through to active J.W's !
Well and wisely done Zing !
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2019 Shepherd The Flock Of God and More!
by Atlantis in2019 information-for-expectant-mothers-s-401-e. 2019-addendum-to-shepherd-book-sfla-e_bi2019-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-october-sfl_e2020-kingdom-ministry-school-program-elders-pgme-20-e. instructions to access my profile.
https://we.tl/t-rex13nnhax atlantis!
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Phizzy
May I add my thanks Atlantis, it is wonderful to be able to read and digest this piffle before the Elders do !
I am again saddened to see that no changes have been made to procedure over Abuse. It is still the usual attitude, not a care for the victims, simply JW Org covering its ass. Especially with the Phone Legal first dictum.
It is a MORAL duty to report even a hint of Abuse to the Authorities, who are trained to deal with it, all the other nonsense can wait, possible J.C's were there two witnesses etc etc.
Of course, we the initiated, educated by your Documents Atlantis, can clearly see that the J.W Org lacks Morals.
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U.S. Supreme Court Denies Watchtower’s Certiorari Plea
by Jerome56 inhttps://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html.
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Phizzy
Smiddy 3 said " Another victory however small at the moment for the irwin Zalkin law firm."
The lawyers against the WT/JW Org were Pine Tillett Pine , I am not sure of a connection to Zalkin's Firm,but you are right in that Zalkin not only has handled a number of cases, and many more to come I believe, but on You Tube has explained in detail what the problems are with the JW Org's attitude to Abuse Victims and to their Cases. I am sure his work and words have been of great value to other lawyers. More info on this case and others is to be found on JW Survey.
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Would the Jehovah's Witnesses benefit from the Sethite View?
by I_love_Jeff ini contacted yahoo answers rep and disputed this issue.
ridiculous!!!.
jehovah's witnesses: is the sethite view something you would benefit from?.
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Phizzy
Our old friend Leolaia sheds light on this :
" Not when the reference is to God because the verb is grammatically singular. It is the grammatical agreement that shows that God (or a god, as in the case of the shade of Samuel), and not a plurality of gods, is meant.
Now there was a belief in a plurality of 'elohim, or more commonly 'elim, in Canaanite and pre-exilic Israelite religion as the divine assembly convened with El (later Yahweh) atop the mountain of his habitation (the Greeks had a similar concept wrt Mount Olympus). In Ugaritic texts we read of the 'ilm "gods", the bn 'il "the sons of El", the 'dt bn 'ilm "the assembly of the sons of El", the 'dt 'ilm "the assembly of the gods", the pchr kkbm "the congregation of the stars", and the pchr m`d "the congregation of the assembly". In the OT we read of the 'lym and the 'lhym "gods" (cf. Psalm 8:5, 58:5, 86:8, 97:7-9), the bny 'lym and the bny (h-) 'lhym "the sons of God/the gods" (cf. Genesis 6:2-4, Job 1:6, Psalm 29:1, 89:6), the 'dt 'l "the assembly of El" (Psalm 82:1), and the kwkby 'l "stars of El" gathered at the hr mw`d "mountain of assembly" (Isaiah 14:13; cf. the kwkby bqr "morning stars" in Job 38:7). The satire of Phoenician king Ittobaal II of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 similarly has him declare "I am El in the dwelling of the gods ('l 'ny mwshb 'lhym)" (v. 2) who sits in "the holy mountain of the gods" (hr qds 'lhym) (v. 14). Similarly, the Phoenician writer Philo of Byblos summarizing Phoenician mythology wrote that "the allies of El (who is known as Kronos) were also called the Eloim".
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Need help in finding some information regarding the Adam and Eve tale.
by Tameria2001 ini am finally at the point in my life i no longer believe in the tales of the bible.
my husband feels for the most part that it too is stuff made up.
there are just a few things that he wants to get cleared up, and one of those being the story of adam and eve.
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Phizzy
There is a long and Academic post by Leolaia on here which deals with a number of the aspects of the Genesis Myth of Adam and Eve. It may not be all you are looking for, but is very eye-opening and very informative.
Her Post is Titled " The Tree of Life, Asherah, and Her Snakes" use the Search box on here, you may find other stuff by Leo too. She is a well read and trustworthy source.