Phizzy

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  How Many Here Are Estranged From Your Family Because Of The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  do your jw relatives still talk to you?

  are you now not very close?

  are you avoided?

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  Phizzy

  Yes. Yes. Yes. And we are simply faded JW's, not DF or DA.
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  Life Update 2019

  by passwordprotected in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's been a while since i was anywhere close to being active here, or on any other ex-jw forum or facebook group.

  i rarely think about the religion and have little-to-no interest in it.. however, i do, very occasionally pop in here.

  hence this update, 3 years on since my last one - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5720228449222656/update-on-my-journey-8-years-after-end-watchtower-control.

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  Phizzy

  Great to hear from you ! and it is lovely to hear your life is a thorough success, by the way I measure true success.

  I have two lovely sons, both respected and liked by all whom they meet, they were never actually J.W's, though we were still in until they were in their late teens. I have two beautiful grandchildren, I do not live in poverty.

  I rate that as true success for an ex jeehubbabub who left after nearly six decades in and lost a lot of his business from JW's !

  Please don't be a stranger at our door here, I always enjoyed your Posts, even when you were still religious, your incisive mind and ability to frame a good argument were a pleasure, even if only to cross swords with !

  All the best to you and yours old friend, and keep us Posted !
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  Re :New Moston Cong. U.K Report from U.K Gov.on Abuse.

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity?fbclid=iwar0chnvc4vko4s63uci5xnd7sff_8p5ku.

  the link is to the report on the new moston congregation in manchester u.k. the report says that better safeguarding has been introduced !

  we could tell then where even "better" safeguarding is still woefully short of what most other organizations are doing..

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  Phizzy

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity?fbclid=IwAR0chNvC4Vko4S63UcI5xnD7Sff_8p5kU

  The Link is to the Report on the New Moston Congregation in Manchester U.K

  The report says that better safeguarding has been introduced ! We could tell then where even "better" safeguarding is still woefully short of what most other organizations are doing.
  
  
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  10 Year Growth Chart

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some visuals to help show what is going on with the jw numbers game.

  i am not a numbers guy and there maybe a few errors (info directly from grand total pages on jw.borg).

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  Phizzy

  Yea, just cigarillos, not wacky baccy, but then I don't need that to be stoopid !
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  Comparing Memorial Outlines--2002-and-2020!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a request we received to show older memorial outlines compared to the most recent.. comparing memorial outlines-2002-and 2020!.

  https://docdro.id/orelroq.

  the watchtower wants our personal data,....ok!.

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  Phizzy

  No earth shattering differences, I agree.

  But I spotted one, they have dropped reading Revelation 14v4. This talks of the 144,000 being "firstfruits to God and the Lamb", which immediately begs the question, who then are the further "fruits" that will enter Heaven ? J.W's teach that the 144,000 is a literal number, and the total from earth who enter heaven.

  Rev 14v4 says different.
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  JWs: No Infant Baptism! (just children)

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's a new article that came out:.

  do jehovah’s witnesses baptize infants?no.

  the bible does not endorse infant baptism.

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  Phizzy

  As is usual with the JW's they are no doubt using their chosen definition of " Infant". The medical community defines Infant us up to 12 months old, but the Educational Community says up to eight years old.

  They certainly get close to the latter figure !

  What is evil about it is that they are then insisting that the young child has entered in to a life-time, binding Contract with them and that they can invoke horrific sanctions and outcomes for the child later breaking that Contract.

  Evil, conniving Bastards !
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  10 Year Growth Chart

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some visuals to help show what is going on with the jw numbers game.

  i am not a numbers guy and there maybe a few errors (info directly from grand total pages on jw.borg).

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  Phizzy

  I have just been outside for a smoke, I enjoy small cigarillos, silly to smoke at all I know, but that is when I do my best thinking, and I realize where my figure of 2 Million gone is totally wrong.

  The clue is in my post, the 1.5% who have died.

  My adjusted figure, using my back of a cigarillo packet method of calculation, means that 1.2 Million JW's have died in that decade. They have added 1.8 Million Baptized, with an actual net growth of 1 million.

  So they have grown, in real terms , taking deaths in to consideration, am I any closer ???

  I think I have confused myself even more now, how can we calculate, roughly how many are leaving ?
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  10 Year Growth Chart

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some visuals to help show what is going on with the jw numbers game.

  i am not a numbers guy and there maybe a few errors (info directly from grand total pages on jw.borg).

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  Phizzy

  When you look at the number Baptized, and then the (fictional) increase, even taking their increase figure at face value, you can see how many are leaving.

  They should have added over 3 Million to their numbers, less say 1.5%, for those who die. So, in round figures, that means two Million have left. (?).

  Now Statistics is not my strong suit, I can tell you that thirteen out of every twelve people do not know what a Baker's Dozen is, but not much beyond that. But are my figures above that far out ? 2 Million gone ??
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  How Much of the WT Teaching Did You Believe?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some people on this forum have said that they never really believed any aspect of wt teaching, that they couldn't wait to get free of it all.. others seems to have been really gung ho, believing it all until something happened that got you questioning "the truth.".

  i would say my own high water mark was about 50%, which put me squarely on the fence, trying to decide if i should be in or out.. how about you?.

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  Phizzy

  In answer to the O.P question, it is difficult for me to estimate the percentage I actually believed at any one time during my nearly six decades in the Cult.

  As a born-in, I suppose when I was very young, as it was coming mainly from my parents I accepted it all as true, what they were saying, and probably most of what was being spouted at the Meetings.

  By the time I was 9 or 10 I was asking my father awkward questions, one I remember distinctly was when we began to study the green Daniel book in the late 1950's ( the Title escapes me) I was very aware that the interpretations were considerably changed for what had been taught formerly, based on Rutherford's stuff I guess, and I asked how could this be ? and how would the old faithful JW's take these changes ? the old man told me that probably the old ones didn't have a good memory for what had gone before, so would not be upset, and that this book was " new understanding". I did not argue.

  By the time I was in my late teens I had decided the "fulfillment" of great Bible prophecies by a few of Rutherford and gang lurking in the trees at Cedar Point Ohio for a Convention was utter rubbish, and from that point on began to question all the W.T teaching to some degree.

  I not only questioned the Bible interpretations, but also much of the rigid Rule Making, and often openly flouted the Rules.

  With this attitude I got a bad reputation in my Congregation. When I got married, my wife and I decided we were going to make a go of being Witnesses, and that I would not be too much of a pain in our new Congregation, but I was till a questioner and a rebel. I did fit in well at my new Congregation, full of fellow questioners and rebels, this served, sadly, to make me feel comfortable with sticking to the religion despite my misgivings, I say sadly, because had I been in a different Congregation, Rule bound and run by Nazi Elders say, I would have left decades before I did, no doubt.

  By the end, I did not believe most of it, and when I learned for sure that the 1914 Doctrine was shite, I left.
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  Memorial date

  by DomineIvimus-DI in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.

  i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

  i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

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  Phizzy

  JW's make such a fuss about the date, and won't pass the Emblems until after sundown etc etc, but then get the date wrong however you look at it.

  I thought this would be a clincher with one old dear in her 70's, she was such a stickler for getting facts right, and insistent all the JW rubbish was " the truth", when i showed her they had got the wrong date, she just ran off saying " I don't care if we have the wrong day " !! WTF ?
  

  It just showed me that she did not really care about truth, her attachment to the religion was purely an emotional one.