Posts by Phizzy

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Did You Know Any "Genuine"" Old School Anointed?

by Number 6 in

growing up in scotland in the 1970s in scotland the anointed were few and far between, but we had one old dude in our cong who claimed to be one of the anointed.

in the days when it was taken seriously.. i'd be curious how you viewed them.

thing is, he wasn't an elder, or even a ministerial servant, just a plain old publisher.. but he was revered like he had a hotline to jesus.. the other week i was talking to a friend of similar age to me but who hung around the wt a lot longer than i did, and he just commented "oh him... he was a doddery old fool who used to just sit and piss himself.

Phizzy

I knew 2 or three when I was a kid, in the Fifties. One old dear, probably in her eighties, only ever came to one or two Meetings a year at the K.H, the Memorial being one. I think she must have been one of the Bible Students of Russell's or Rutherford's time. She rarely "answered up", but was treated with due respect, but certainly not awe.

Another sweet old lady, older than the first, was a real Christian, full of love for people, always interested in even little kids like me,very spiritual in the real sense of being Christlike, lovely lady, without doubt she was from Russell's time. Her answers, and thoughts and her example were treated with the utmost respect.

My Parents used to speak in awe of another lady, from Russell's time for sure, who single-handedly began the Congregation in our small Market Town, she passed away before I was born.

I never met any later J.W's who claimed to be of the Anointed, but I heard of a few, one, a single Pioneer lady, started to take the Emblems in the Seventies, when she was in her Forties, I wish I could have spoken to her, knowing what I do now, to see what convinced her of the Heavenly hope, perhaps her own reading of the N.T ?

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

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the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

Phizzy

I will read the book, thanks for the recommendation Cofty. But I stand by the label I gave this Government, a racist P.M and many racist M.P's, Austerity taking the lives of thousands, ... I could go on.

I am proud to be as an individual the polar opposite of such people. Where my political affiliation will go, remains to be seen, but, I am 70 years old, I do know fully what the Conservative Party is and does. I have lived through it.

I do hope we can get away from a binary choice as to government, and P R seems the only way to break the cycle.

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

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the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

Phizzy

I think Scotland would fare O.K if she became independent. GDP per person is high, skills are there, Financial Sector is there, and they are well placed to trade when independent.

For various reasons I do not think that 2020 is the right time to hold a Referendum, not least because I think the result would be close, despite what the Press may say,and Social Media pundits.

Once the real debacle of Brexit has begun to bite, then it will be the time, and I say good luck and all the best to our Scottish friends. England would not like it because they would slip behind Brazil on the list of Countries GDP per person.

There are alternatives,real devolution of power, not some half-arsed attempt at one.

I back Proportional representation of some sort for the whole of the U.K, if that came first, Independence as an issue may fade. I will not hold my breath, the Evil Tory Racist Government just elected by a broken system, would not stand a chance with P.R of getting a majority, so will resist it to the last.

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Cart Witnessing....They deserve the same ''cold shoulder''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

here is a man named jerry.

on a public sidewalk, he asks attendees leaving a jehovah's witness convention in san diego a simple question, ''do jehovah's witnesses have the truth.

not one person acknowledges him.

Phizzy

If they really believed they had the truth, they would be eager to share it. This "experience" shows that the majority of J.W's today do NOT believe they have the truth.

When I was fully in, I would have engaged anybody, anywhere who posed that question to me. I was confident I could make a very good job of defending my faith. I had crossed swords with Vicars, Priests and one time a full blown ( no Pun intended LOL) Bishop !

Admittedly ,looking back, I know all those Seminary trained guys actually got the better of me, they won the debate !

But I was still never afraid to talk to anybody about my beliefs.

The Cognitive Dissonance of constantly hearing " the truth, the truth, the truth" and yet deep down knowing it is not, must be mental agony for today's JW's, who I think evidently are dishonest and have no integrity.

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3 New Letters Arrived!--2019-December!

by Atlantis in

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2019 december brd newsletter.

https://docdro.id/odvxhqr.

2019-s-1-e-congregation field service and meeting attendance report.

Phizzy

Way over the top sir 82, I just looked at a small Mitsubishi 5 door saloon, so cheaper yes, but, low mileage full service history and made in 2915, asking price, £ 2,400.

I reckon some sucker JW's buy these overpriced cars thinking the Angels will keep 'em going !

As to Meeting Attendance, back in the early 2000s when I was still in about 30% would miss mid Week, and about 20% Weekend Meetings. Weekends we had loads of latecomers who would miss two thirds of the P.T anyway.

If it is now worse than that, even an amalgamated Congregation formed from two previously separate ones, must look empty !

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Johnson and the NHS

by jhine in

we brits are being bombarded with facts and speculation about the horrific consequences of either corbin or johnson getting into power .

another thread has discussed the anti-semitic leanings ( or not ) of corbin .

what do people think about the left's claims that boris would sell off the nhs ,only this morning l saw a post on fb saying that " america is demanding full access to nhs records " it has been pointed out by a political reporter on the bbc that the talks that the papers were leaked about happened before johnson became pm and these were just things that have been put on the negotiating table by the usa .

Phizzy

"The will of the British People" is trotted out as though it is a static thing. People, when given real facts, real information, are free to change their minds, or not, of course.

The great Athenian Historian Thucydides gives an account where his fellow Athenians have decided to destroy an enemy City, their first Referendum, if you like, he then says that they decided good arguments were given on both sides, maybe more knowledge had been obtained? so they Debated the issue again, the second Referendum, if you like. They decided NOT to destroy the City, and then he makes a pertinent remark we should all take not of, he says, " If we cannot change our minds, then it is not Democracy". (See Book Three of his History)

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Johnson and the NHS

by jhine in

we brits are being bombarded with facts and speculation about the horrific consequences of either corbin or johnson getting into power .

another thread has discussed the anti-semitic leanings ( or not ) of corbin .

what do people think about the left's claims that boris would sell off the nhs ,only this morning l saw a post on fb saying that " america is demanding full access to nhs records " it has been pointed out by a political reporter on the bbc that the talks that the papers were leaked about happened before johnson became pm and these were just things that have been put on the negotiating table by the usa .

Phizzy

The Big Pharma Corporations of America would not be in negotiations to maintain present prices would they ? of course nothing has been agreed BEFORE an Election, the Tory Government even tried to keep the negotiations secret. Why do you think that was ?

And as for Lying Boris and Lying Trump telling us there is nothing to worry about, when they BOTH have said previously that there sure was, who do you believe ? That pair ? or people with knowledge and great concerns, like those actually in the N.H.S. Those who purchase drugs for the N.H.S

As to Voting decision, look at what you want to result from this Election, if it is 10 more years maybe of Tory misrule, half arsed remedies for problems they created by Austerity, millions of people, and their children in Poverty, a real hit to our Economy etc etc , then vote Conservative.

If you want real change, a better Society, and real problem solving, then who will you Vote for ? probably you will say "Well, not Labour because ......", whatever your "becauses" are, do some real research, and see if they are true, and above all, do not waste your Vote where it can make no difference.

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Melbourne Convention Protest

by jonahstourguide in

hi all.. i didn't want to post this in private because i want all to see what i saw.. the protest at the melbourne convention went superbly in my opinion.

the protesters and their banners were more than eloquent and succinct.

you could feel the emotion they all conveyed.

Phizzy

I really do believe that this is the way to do a protest, respectful, loving, but with hard hitting messages. Those JW's passing by cannot "unsee" what was on those excellent signs.

Shouting, harassing and being a nuisance is not the way.

Well done our ozzie friends in Melly !

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How Many Here Are Estranged From Your Family Because Of The Witnesses?

by minimus in

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do your jw relatives still talk to you?

are you now not very close?

are you avoided?

Phizzy

Yes. Yes. Yes. And we are simply faded JW's, not DF or DA.

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Life Update 2019

by passwordprotected in

it's been a while since i was anywhere close to being active here, or on any other ex-jw forum or facebook group.

i rarely think about the religion and have little-to-no interest in it.. however, i do, very occasionally pop in here.

hence this update, 3 years on since my last one - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5720228449222656/update-on-my-journey-8-years-after-end-watchtower-control.

Phizzy

Great to hear from you ! and it is lovely to hear your life is a thorough success, by the way I measure true success.

I have two lovely sons, both respected and liked by all whom they meet, they were never actually J.W's, though we were still in until they were in their late teens. I have two beautiful grandchildren, I do not live in poverty.

I rate that as true success for an ex jeehubbabub who left after nearly six decades in and lost a lot of his business from JW's !

Please don't be a stranger at our door here, I always enjoyed your Posts, even when you were still religious, your incisive mind and ability to frame a good argument were a pleasure, even if only to cross swords with !

All the best to you and yours old friend, and keep us Posted !