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  Bible canon conundrums

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.

  'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.

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  Phizzy

  They rather shot themselves in the foot with the statement that "the canon was already settled by then, not by the decree of any council, but by the usage of Christian congregations throughout the ancient world.'

  There is plenty of proof that many of the Churches/Congregations in the 1st Century used Books, and sections of Writings that are rejected by the Org for various reasons, none of them very Scholarly reasons. Revelation upon which they rely for their Armageddon nonsense was in dispute, and little used it seems in the early Christian Churches, and of course the dispute about the legitimacy of Revelation carried on at least until the time of Martin Luther.

  The truth is the Org accepts the Protestant Canon, which was fixed when ?..... Exactly.

  The big question is why do they accept these writings alone ? They have no genuine reason to do so, their arguments in support are as usual, fallacious.
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  UK Civil Service Damns UK Government

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  following the daily covid19 briefing, in which boris johnson defended his advisor dominic cummings for travelling to his family estate after showing symptoms of the virus, the civil service official twitter feed posted the following.. .

  the tweet was quickly deleted.

  i can't overstate how unthinkable it is that the service should publicly criticise the government of the day.. boris' defense of cummings is a huge error in judgement and will destroy its credibility.

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  Phizzy

  I rather admire the Journalist who sat on the half of the story, that Cummings had done this TWICE, until a number of Tory M.P's had come out and "defended" him.

  If he is allowed to flout Lock Down Rules, and get away with it, it makes a mockery of those Rules.

  Many people who obeyed the Rules, could not be with dying loved ones, could not attend their funeral, and some in parallel situations to Cummings, obeyed, and managed alone.
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  5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

  by usualusername1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

  price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

  am in shock.

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  Phizzy

  Is this still for Sale does anyone know please ? I see that they have had to take the two attached Cottages out of the Sale, and I saw that the local Residents Association was getting up a Petition to save the field that is behind the Halls.

  If it is still for Sale, if it is, I doubt they will now get an offer in excess of £3.5 Million as they were asking.

  Anyone know ?
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  Craziest thing you ever saw in a KH?

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i did this in my facebook group for my podcast and it was fun.. so what's the craziest thing you ever saw?.

  for me it was watching a brother have a heart attack during the meeting in the auditorium.

  i was a kid and noticed him shaking and acting strange.

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  Phizzy

  I no doubt have a number of things in the old memory banks, but one I remember was a young girl always wanted to go to the "bathroom" as many Americans call it, we call it the "Euphemism" here in the U.K. LOL. her father tried to leave it until at least a Song was on the go or something, one day the little kid had had enough of this, so she told him she wanted to go, he said wait, so she just stood up and pissed on the carpet !

  He always rushed her straight out as soon as she asked after that !
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  F. W. Franz epic talk May 11, 1975 (clip)

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vwxeenkkoary-efyhnt75iqmagx0yywf.

  f. w. franz "times in which we are particularly interested" may 11, 1975. ;introduced by kenneth a. little, a much younger man than now for sure.. the clip is 8 minutes.. unfortunately, some idiot recorded over part of this day many years ago.

  i am hoping to find another copy in the box..

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  Phizzy

  " Maybe other people are more open minded to the idea the JW religion can reform or have a revival..but I’m done with it." LHgirl.

  I'm long done with it too ! I don't think that any creating of Doctrine along mad Freddy lines, re-interpreting old meanings of "Bible Prophecies" would have any effect on recruitment, or retention. I do think the Org will have to move with the times or wither away over the next few years. The Internet will finish them wherever it is available, unless they get a grip.

  To keep trying to maintain Control by denying Education to JW's will not wash when it will be plain that just to live a reasonable life, everyone needs some marketable skills to get a reasonably paying job. Minimum wage JW's will be rare, and of course, foolish.
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  F. W. Franz epic talk May 11, 1975 (clip)

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vwxeenkkoary-efyhnt75iqmagx0yywf.

  f. w. franz "times in which we are particularly interested" may 11, 1975. ;introduced by kenneth a. little, a much younger man than now for sure.. the clip is 8 minutes.. unfortunately, some idiot recorded over part of this day many years ago.

  i am hoping to find another copy in the box..

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  Phizzy

  It is funny to think that Fred Franz is the last "Scholar" who produced stuff for the G.B to print. he had no formal Education in the matters he was pontificating on, was not able to read N.T Greek in any great measure, and was a very strange chap. I think he was Autistic to some degree.

  He certainly caused the org to take directions that have done it more harm than good, the Blood Doctrine and 1975 being the biggest load of dangerous crap he came out with.

  Now the Org is floundering because they have no one coming up with ideas to keep the Org seemingly going along with Big J's "Chariot", it is all now down to re-hashing old stuff, desperate things like the overlapping Generation, and stressing we are in the last minutes of the Last Days.

  Even when I was still in, I felt that real " Spiritual Food" was entirely lacking, and its got worse !
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  Why do the Elders stress the importance of meeting attendance....

  by Davros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why do the elders always stress to the rank and file members of the congregation how important meeting attendance is, as well as the importance of always paying attention to every word that's being presented from the slave?

  but then, during the meeting, they rarely sit and pay attention themselves to the wonderful spiritual banquet being presented?

  they always seem so busy, don't they?

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  Control yes, without doubt, because if too many drift away, the Elders themselves become redundant !
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  How did Adam know what a sword was?

  by phoenixrising in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?

  did adam invent swords?

  more bible non sense garbage.

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  Phizzy

  The oldest sword ever found is about 3300 B.C.

  No flood,even a local one, happened at the time the Bible places the Flood of the Noah Story.

  The Bible is over 90% fiction.
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  WTB&TS And The Lawyers They Employ.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about the legal departments that look after the wts interests around the world.i can`t believe these legal eagles offer their services on a voluntary basis like the r&f do.and i don`t believe their services would come cheap.. as an organization the size of jw.org and its offshoots of companys and interests around the world ,the cost of keeping them gainfully employed must amount to a considerable sum of money.. especially the law suits against them with child abuse court cases that arise on a regular basis ,and the government inquiry`s into the jw religion that is happening in different countries now.. all paid for by the voluntary contributions that come from the r&f for the worldwide preaching work .. contributions to pay for the wt organization`s legal department to defend themselves in court ?.

  did jesus and the apostles pay lawyers to defend them in a court of law with funds donated by their supporters ?.

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  Phizzy

  They have just lost a case they fought all the way to the Supreme Court in Sweden. They were charged under a Swedish Law for showing Videos that were harmful to children. They Lost ! Ha Ha, those videos are as harmful as the old pictures in the Books showing people dying at Armageddon were to us.

  More donation $$$ and Kroner down the drain.

  Should they show those Videos anywhere now that children are in attendance ? NO !
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  When Was The First Time You Ever Got Drunk?

  by 1234 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was 20 years old and at bethel for just a couple of months.

  i was really depressed, as i was finding out what bethel was really all about.

  i drank a whole bottle of cold duck, after a long hot subway ride back to brooklyn.

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  Phizzy

  Yea, good advice, but as my Bro. in Law says, about my drinking and smoking , " Well,.... at least he will die happy". !!!