Posts by Phizzy

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Why Jehovah`s Witnesses are wrong emphasising the name Jehovah.

by smiddy3 in

hi friends, feel free to correct me where i`m wrong with this post.after all it`s just my observation of jw`s and the bible.. in the beginning of gods dealings with adam it was on a personal level , god to man so to speak.. god then dealt with humans via the patriarchs , then with the levi priesthood ,then judges ,( and a woman was a judge ) then kings ,somewhere in between all of this prophets played a major part ,and then came jesus christ the messiah.. and to my knowledge god has not validated a successor to him with any evidence i`ve seen .. jehovah`s witnesses claim to be christians but have with no new testament backing usurped jesus with jehovah.. this period of time ,until god says otherwise ,christians are to give honour and glory to none other than jesus christ .. that is the name that is above any other name until god says otherwise.

phil.2:9-11. not the name jehovah .the bible never says anything about a kingdom of jehovah ,the coming kingdom is the kingdom of jesus christ with his associate 144,000 earthly subjects.. this is just my understanding of what the bible actually says .. whether i believe it or not is another matter..

Phizzy

You are right about not giving the name Jehovah pre-eminence, the first century Christians in all probability did not utter the name, though some will argue about that, and maintain it was written in the N.T, though no manuscript evidence for that exists. The latter point showing to me that the pre-eminence was given to the name of Jesus.

I have noticed a slight lessening of the use of "Jehovah" in print by the Org, or am I imagining that ? But if that is so, it is purely for marketing purposes, as shoving the name into the Public domain does not go down well. The Logo itself, JW Org, does not make it so prominent does it ?

JW Org has always tried to shove Jesus in to the background, especially noticeable in their Meetings, where mention of him is somewhat rare., in comparison to "Jehovah this " and " Jehovah that " and multiple uses of the name in Prayers with Jesus getting a cursory nod at the end.

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Languages, Dialects, Accents

by LoveUniHateExams in

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just though i'd start a thread devoted to languages, dialects/sociolects and accents, with the idea being that posters can comment on any language, or dialect or accent of any language, on this thread.. any phrases, expressions or idioms that you find interesting are also welcome.

first, the subject of english accents came up on another thread.. the british isles have many different types of accent (although many of the dialects may be dying out), and if i start to take a closer look, i can't help but see 'patterns' .... in received pronunciation of standard english, the letter r is pronounced initially, between vowels, and after consonants, e.g.

red, arrow, break.

Phizzy

Interesting ! so, with hieroglyphics there is room for ambiguity and a degree of exegesis has to be used, but seeing the illustration of actual words, it was a useful, practical Script, whereas I always thought of it for some reason as sort of mannered and showing off for religious reasons, but it isn't, it's a workaday script !

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Never Forget 9/11

by minimus in

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tomorrow is the anniversary of 9/11/2001.

i hope we never forget what happened that fateful day and learn from what happened.❤️.

Phizzy

Never forget the Terrorism perpetrated by many people, of many Faiths. It matters not whether Terrorists are black , brown or white, of whatever faith or none, or even if they are Governments, terrorist acts are simply obscene, and NEVER justified.

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The Power Of Unconditional Love

by 1234 in

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the most powerful love in the universe is unconditional love.. a love that has no requirements or conditions.

no actions are necessary to receive it.. this love is all around us and can be easily seen.

watch any mother with its new born baby.

Phizzy

" Conditional on the object of our love remaining a decent human being." Real Love does not suddenly flee because the person turns out to be a disappointment, or even a right bastard.

Yes, we may decide to have nothing to do with a toxic person, a criminal etc, but that does not eradicate the love, or it was not real, unconditional love. We impose conditions upon contact or whatever, but the love, if real is still there. Just as the love for a person who has died is still there, even though the person is not.

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Is "Active Publishers" a new concept?

by jwfacts in

i just saw the congregation analysis report for 2020, a form i have not noticed before.

it asks for the number of "active publishers.

" this is a term i have not seen specified before.

Phizzy

Inactive are counted, see the Form above. And called Inactive Publisher.

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The Power Of Unconditional Love

by 1234 in

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the most powerful love in the universe is unconditional love.. a love that has no requirements or conditions.

no actions are necessary to receive it.. this love is all around us and can be easily seen.

watch any mother with its new born baby.

Phizzy

Leaving the god question aside, as I am an Atheist I am not interested in talking about something that does not exist, but I believe that if what some call Love is "conditional", it is not really Love at all.

Jesus taught a Love that had no conditions, no ifs or buts. He did not say "Love your neighbour, but not if they are not a JW" did he ? The whole point of the Parable of the Good Samaritan was that you should show unconditional love to all, regardless of what or who they are, and within that "all" Jesus included Apostates.

I know JW's will point to various Scriptures written by Paul to justify their hateful treatment of those who have left the JW religion, but Paul was not aware of the actual Teaching of Jesus as outlined in the Gospels, they had not been written by the time he died. Apart form that of course, actually analyse the Scriptures JW's use and they are taking them out of context quite blatantly to apply them in the way they do.

They do not practice the way of true Love.

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Upcoming Neutrality Talk Oct 26, 2020

by Listener in

thanks petra and atlantis for providing the latest announcements from the watchtower.. they are telling congregations to replace the 15 minute local needs talk in the midweek meeting of october 26th with a talk on neutrality.

i am not sure if this is due to there being a usa election on tues 3rd, november or because of their worldwide preaching campaign targeting government officials.

it does sound like it is due to the usa election due to comments about propaganda and political promises.

Phizzy

The " even mentally" part will be difficult for some JW's LOL. Some are quite definite about their Political views, even though of course they do not actually Vote, and may not acknowledge even to themselves that they are in fact Politically Left or Right or whatever.

I have found since I left , it has been necessary for me to educate myself politically, and in every other way of course, but to understand Politics you need to know how it works, and Political History, and to understand all the Bullshit and Mind Control you get from the Main Stream Media.

I have Voted, at every Election, local and national, since I left, and I have campaigned very actively and loudly for a Political Party, are these considered to be actions warranting a J.C , and some "action" ?? Not that I give a flying fudge bar what they think or do to me personally, but I just wondered.

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If you enjoy a challenge, then read this book

by Doug Mason in

if you enjoy a challenge, i recommend this book: mind the gap: how the jewish writings between the old and new testament help us understand jesus, by matthias henze.

fortress press.. one example from the book:.

while there are several individuals in the bible who are said to be anointed, the word “messiah” or “anointed one” is never used in the old testament to designate a future anointed redeemer figure.

Phizzy

Thanks once again Doug for you direction in these matters, another eye-opener for me ! I always imagined that the Jews were awaiting a Messiah figure like the one the Jesus Myth presents, but it seems there is no reason they should have been !

I am aware that the Qumran Community spoke of a kind of Messiah figure, The Righteous One, or even more than one such figure, but even their ideas are not the same as the idea presented in the N.T are they ?

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In my country the preaching work is over

by cookiemaster in

the jws in my country can't preach to anyone these days and they're going crazy.

i live in romania and initially during the covid-19 lockdown they were very enthusiastic about preaching.

they've since held daily "field service meetings" on zoom.

Phizzy

" Time will soon tell." yes, time will tell anyone who follows such a silly appreciation of what the Bible Books are, that nothing from them is going to come true, simply because they were not prophesying about our day, the writers were merely writing for the people of the time in which they wrote.

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What’s up with the modern Nation of Israel?

by DATA-DOG in

being raised a dub i never voted.

i’m not a republican or a democrat, not a liberal or a conservative.. i’m pretty middle of the road.

i want everyone to have a fair shake if possible in this life, but i definitely don’t believe in forced equality, that’s just not possible.

Phizzy

The way forward for the Palestinians is difficult to see, without similar support as that which the Israeli State has received, not that I am advocating supplying the Palestinians with Arms as Israel has been, but with support to bring about a Democratic Secular State. The problem is that the religious influence is the most powerful it seems. Would a secular State be really possible ?

Israel too has its problem with a strong Religious faction that makes it not really secular in its make up.

There needs to be a Two State Solution, with an evening up of power between the two States, and both being made to observe International Law and Human Rights for all, this is almost impossible to envisage being achieved. Of course, as well, there are other States in the Middle East mix, all posing more problems. I fear the region will be problematical for many decades to come.