Posts by Phizzy
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442020--Civil Unrest--Food Distribution Pause--Computer Security! (as of 2020-11-05)
by Atlantis in3 letters:.
1. civil unrest.
2. food distribution pause.
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New Lockdowns in The UK
by Slidin Fast inmaybe the borg was right all the time.
maybe armageddon is just an unassailable tide of boredom and november ennui (good word that).. i did a typo, nobember and nearly left it in.
or knobember.
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Phizzy
The root cause of the Government having lost control of the Virus is their Test and Trace Corruption Scandal. With proper Test and PROPER Tracing and then Isolating put in place, infection is controlled.
They are rolling out in Liverpool to start with, a mass testing programme, we will see how that goes. And see if proper follow up to Tests is done. I have my doubts, but maybe, just maybe.
We have a Government that has never, throughout this, really followed " the Science", and as recently, have blatantly ignored the very best Scientific advice. The irony is, that in this ignoring, motivated by trying to keep the Economy going, it is now going to be stalled again by a half-arsed measure, with again, advice that this is not a way forward ,being ignored.
I can see us being not just the worst affected Nation in Europe, but the very last to come out of this. In a very few weeks, the Brexit fiasco will begin. What a total mess this Government has made of what when they took over was the 5th richest Nation, in a years time we will be lucky to be around 15th.
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But you told us about those dates.
by Lost in the fog inyou couldn't make it up!
saw this wt quote on a friend's page.
it is from the awake magazine of 1993, march 22nd apparently.
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Phizzy
They really are just "Full of lies", I lived through all that , the lead up to 1975, the fallout, the non-excuses, blaming the R&F , the half-arsed "apology" in 1981 if memory serves.
" How many lives ruined because of their misleading end times claims? "
How many indeed ! I know so many JW's whose future was shot to pieces by their "predictions", one guy would be a Multi-Millionaire today but for them, to give him his due, he is sanguine about it, nice guy. But how many others have no Pension ? no quality of life ? and they try to wriggle out of ANY responsibility ! Bastards !
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New Lockdowns in The UK
by Slidin Fast inmaybe the borg was right all the time.
maybe armageddon is just an unassailable tide of boredom and november ennui (good word that).. i did a typo, nobember and nearly left it in.
or knobember.
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Phizzy
Slidin, you been drinking ? maybe a more understandable Post is called for ? I've been drinking too, so don't feel embarrassed ! It's Sunday FFS ! and lockdown 2 looms.
Well, half a lockdown, the clowns we have in Government are going to leave Schools etc open, where most spreading of Covid19 takes place, and then the little kiddies take it home, to parents and grandparents.
Well done U.K Government, more unnecessary deaths, you incompetent bunch of ideology led cockwombles.
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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Phizzy
My thinking exactly HTBWC ! and maybe even Jesus, if we only knew what he really taught, was promoting this view of the Supreme Being, his god, It would certainly explain the antipathy of the religious leaders of his day ! it would really piss them off !
Certainly Gnostic thought does not seem to be something that did NOT affect the writer of the Gospel of John, and maybe the incipient, or nascent, Gnosticism we see is because it was far from mainstream in his time. The influence of Gnostic thought on the genuine Letters of Paul I shall have to have a look at, but are there perhaps more such thoughts in the Pseudepigraphic Letters ?
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EU top court rules on JW blood transfusion case
by Corney inthe court of justice of the european union (cjeu) yesterday delivered the judgment (press release) on a request of the supreme court of latvia on whether domestic authorities are obliged to reimburse costs of cross-border medical treatment when the patient's decision to perform it in another european country was based on religious, not medical, grounds.
the opinion of advocate general (summarized here) is helpful in understanding the case.. the son of the applicant in the main proceedings had to have open heart surgery.
that operation was available in the latter’s member state of affiliation, latvia, but could not be carried out without a blood transfusion.
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Phizzy
Thanks for the info Corney. of course, this sort of thing is unnecessary, if only the G.B. would have some New Light on Blood Transfusions.
The JW Doctrine on Blood is thoroughly discredited anyway, the "Scriptural" argument having been demolished by people who actually know how to read and understand the Bible. The G.B. know this, hence their trying to reverse out of the harshness of their application of the Doctrine by bringing in the laughable Blood Fractions teaching.
They could not totally do a 360 turn on the Blood nonsense, because they would face costly Litigation from families who had lost loved ones unnecessarily. So people still have to die, for something the G.B. could change with the stroke of a pen, oh and some new Light. But as usual with the G.B. $$$$ come first, before lives.
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Phizzy
He was a very good actor, even in a Movie with a doubtful Script or Plot or both ! he gave it Class, and gave it his all. Jusht Shometimes the Accshent would not quite fit the character he was playing, but he was SO good you could ignore that !
I think too that, not just a great Actor, he was a nice guy too.
Another bit of my Past has gone.
R.I.P Sean , the one and only James Bond for me.
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Is it because of Pride or Loyalty?
by joey jojo inin a recent effort to entice me back to meetings, an elder friend gave me the example of his dad.. he said that his pioneer/elder/ex-missionary dad went through the anticipation and disappointment of 1975 and yet, he kept going faithfully for decades afterwards.
the obvious point was that, if his dad can deal with disappointment, then, surely a nobody like me could do the same in regards to the scrapping of the 1914 generation doctrine, and all the other changes.
his 'encouragement' was to tell me that it was only me that felt like this, everyone else is fine and have no problems with the changes.
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Phizzy
" Are you loyal to Jehovah and his spiritually directed earthly organization ? " That is the " Loyalty" question you must not answer to Elders when you are found to be waking up !
When I left I was convinced I could be " Loyal to Jehovah" but still detach from what I now knew was not His Organization. The second part of that question is "Leading language" , a typical mind control technique, it takes as a given that the JW org is god's org, not proven !
If you are still in the Org and reading this, please get over whatever holds you captive within it, and free yourself ! Freedom of mind and action is just the most wonderful thing !
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The Myth of being "Spirit Appointed"
by BluesBrother inback in the first century we read that the apostles would "lay their hands" on someone and the holy spirit would be imparted to that one.
appointments of older men were made in this way - at that time.
in modern times the wts has claimed that their own elders ,min.
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Phizzy
I had often wondered about various things " Where is the Holy Spirit in all this ? " , especially when they did a 360 turn on Doctrine, but also with " Appointments", so many were quite obviously "political" , it was a lot easier to be appointed if daddy was an Elder etc.
My own case was amusing, I was appointed M.S, and was quite happy in those days to " serve my brothers", but never wanted to be an Elder. I was told by one Elder that many times they had wrangled about me being appointed an Elder, but something always held them back, I thought to myself, yes, the feeling that if they did they would be " holding an Asp to their breast" like Cleopatra. He told me they could not really find a reason why not, but I assured him I did not want to be, which I guess is why the matter was not raised again.
But really, where was the Holy Spirit in that ?
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The 1950s NWT (1984)
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini did a video on this subject once but feel this is a noteworthy topic.
to be honest the old nwt has come under sonsiderable attack from fundie morons attacking it's nt which was translated with a few revisals in 1950.the truth is john 1:1 and 8:58 and other texts, though despite being odd, are within the translation rules as are the inclusion of the word {other} since this was stated in the forward as an interpolation.
jehovah in the nt is odd but certianly lacking as other translations have added more yhwh.. so the ot?
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Phizzy
I agree the NWT is quite hilarious in its earlier iterations, I do not have a 2013 Copy to compare.
On the matter of "the true god" in the O.T they accidently end up underlining that the Israelites early on were not monotheistic, at best they were henotheistic, not something the org. would wish to be highlighted !
I still find the Translation throughout to be clunky and difficult to the modern ear, but they have, perhaps wisely, erred on the side of accuracy rather than readability !
I always enjoy your Posts ! have you read the Paper that Doug Mason posted on his Nehemiah and Ezra Thread ? entitled " Persia and Creation of Judaism" , it is VERY enlightening as to when the Hebrew Bible was written, and by whom, not that it is all brand new info. but it sheds more light on it, and expands what we should think of as myth in the O.T.