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  Talking to a Jehovah`s Witness .Ask the right questions .

  by smiddy3 in

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  what questions should be asked to a jehovah`s witness when confronted with them.. a jw gives his sermon.

  "you" immediately ask him by what authority he has from god that you should take notice of him ,seeing their are over 40,000 different christian religions in the world who claim to represent god,.

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  Phizzy

  The question posed in the opening Post is one I asked a number of JW's over the years. I had to add the word "unique" in front of the word Doctrine, or they would simply list things that other Christian groups teach, but it would be necessary for them to have at least one unique Doctrine then, that is still taught as truth today, for Jesus to choose that little band of Rutherfordites over far more suitable groups,

  Of course, there is not one such Doctrine. I went through this whole argument with one Elder, and after it all he said " Well I think there is enough proof to satisfy me that Jesus chose the J.W's ( as he called them, a name that came later) in 1919". I asked what that proof was, and I won't bore you with the very weak argument he gave, but in the end I gave up.

  I am sure that by asking the question of a good number over the years I have planted seeds, I hope so, but Logic, Reason, Facts and Truth do not matter to those Mind Controlled by the Cult.
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  So What Religion do You Claim to be when Entering Hospital?

  by mikronboy in

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  i've had a few medical procedures.

  once, i had a massive loss of blood and needed 6 units of blood to replace the loss.

  however, i'm curious as to what ex's state to be their religion when filling out the required paperwork when being admitted into a hospital.

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  No Religion.
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  A GREAT Farside cartoon !

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  Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Victims' advocates: Abuse not just a 'Catholic problem' [Advocates ask for an investigation like ARC]

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.philly.com/philly/news/victims-advocates-abuse-not-just-a-catholic-problem-20180625.html.

  victims' advocates: abuse not just a 'catholic problem' .

  by peter smith, pittsburgh post-gazette .

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  Phizzy

  It strikes me that the JW Org is doing its usual thing of putting the $$$ before people, having calculated that merely losing Tax breaks is cheaper than paying just compensation, this has been pointed out before as the motive.

  This lack of compassion and totally cold-hearted money grab may well come back to bite them badly on the Arse, they will generate far more International bad publicity by not joining the scheme, the idiots.
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  Just a little snark sorry

  by Jerryh in

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  Phizzy

  No wonder they never mention the word, 99% of the time Syllogism is used as a method of reasoning to come to a conclusion that is a Fallacy. And we know who are the Masters of that method, the J.W org !

  1: a deductive scheme of a formal argument consisting of a major and a minor premise and a conclusion (as in "every virtue is laudable; kindness is a virtue; therefore kindness is laudable")

  2: a subtle, specious, or crafty argument

  3: deductive reasoning
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  Anybody Here That Still Wouldn’t Take or Give Blood?

  by minimus in

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  i would think that the first thing to go for ex jws is the blood ban.

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  would you take a transfusion or give blood now!.

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  Phizzy

  I started to donate Blood as soon as I left in 2008. I also visited my Doctor and informed him I was no longer a JW and if I needed a Transfusion I would willingly accept it, he smiled and said " I bet you would !", he also made sure that on my Patient Records there was no mention of refusing a B.T. or of my being a J.W.

  After checking the Records he told me that there never had been any such notes on there ! This surprised me a little, because I know we were urged by the Org to make sure such a thing was on our Record, but I obviously had never mentioned it, I also never carried a Suicide (Blood) Card in later years either.

  I can understand some ex JW's being reluctant to either Donate or receive Blood, the fear of it ran deep after years of indoctrination, and all for a Doctrine thought up in the late Forties I believe, by Mad Freddy Franz.

  So much Blood is on the hands of the Org, including and especially today's G.B. They could change this murderous, totally discredited Doctrine with the stroke of a pen, and call it New Light, they will not for fear of Litigation, so they allow more JW's, even children, to die, all for $$$.
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  Watchtower Study July 2020 ''Be Convinced That You Have the Truth''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  the watchtower—study edition | july 2020.

  6. the first-century disciples built their faith on their knowledge of the scriptures and the teachings of jesus christ, that is, “the truth of the good news.” (gal.

  2:5) this truth consists of the whole body of christian teachings, including the facts about jesus’ ransom sacrifice and his resurrection.

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  Phizzy

  When I first left the J.W Org I decided I needed to research properly, looking only for facts and evidence that would withstand any scrutiny and any attack, only "truth" of that calibre would suffice.

  I started in the reverse order to the one they give in that W.T. number one was the Org, was it " the truth" ? Answer NO !

  Number 2 was " The Bible, is it god's word ? " Answer NO!

  Number 3 was " Is there a god ?" simple answer NO ! ( certainly all the gods man has made up, even new boy on the block Jehovah, do not exist).

  The Org's 3 reasons were demolished completely by proper research that established the Truth of these matters.

  A bit of advice to folks who have not done this, start with my Number 3, once you have established that no god invented by man exists, the other things do not matter, apart from perhaps getting rid of the feelings and fears, like Armageddon etc, that the Org embedded in us.

  To really " use your power of reason" as the WT says , and use it properly, is to come to the same conclusions as me. If you do not wish to fully use your power of reason, do not want to think rationally, do not want to accept Truth, you remain entrapped in Delusional Belief, a sorry Mental Condition ( Illness).
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  The Mysterious Missing Islam.....

  by snare&racket in

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  i've discussed this before but not in this context alone.. i remember being about 14 years old, 1994 and starting a study in the uk with a charming muslim from the congo.

  he was a very pleasant middle aged guy with a big family, two wives, always the most hospitable.

  at the time the watchtower had a book on many religions, a thick red book called 'mankind's search for god' so i would read and discuss the section on islam with him.. interestingly, but not surprising, many details they had were wrong about islam and he would explain how and correct me.

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  Phizzy

  The Bible writers were only knowledgeable about their own time, and culture, and narrow geographic area. Their knowledge of history was faulty, as seen by the many errors they made, not just the deliberately made up stuff. They certainly had no knowledge of the future, every prediction they ever made did not come true in the terms that they wrote down, NOT ONE !!

  Your point is spot on, the things that are missing from the Bible make it plain that it is written by ill educated men, even for their own time they know little that is common knowledge in nearby Cultures. And so the Bible is 90% very poor Fiction.
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  An illustration of obeying the Governing Body when it makes no sense from a human perspective.

  by BourneIdentity in

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  Phizzy

  I had that very experience of teaching the " right thing", and yet being haughtily told that " the Org does not teach that" as though I should shut up.

  I was mercifully, and much to my amusement, proved correct when the Org in one of its many U turns, published my point of view in the very next book that came out ! ( the details of this matter are boring, so won't spell them out).

  The one I never got an answer to was the one where I pointed out that Jesus own words were contradictory, completely, in another area than the above, and of course the Elder just stuck to the Org's line, even showing me what a Public Talk Outline said on it, rather than the Bible ! but as I said, "You can't have it both ways ". Either one statement was right, or the other was. Of course, the Gospels contain a number of totally contradictory things, I didn't know that at the time , I was a callow youth, but still took on the Elders !
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  Dumb Elders

  by minimus in

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  i knew a few pretty intelligent elders .

  sometimes i would wonder why they remained as elders or even witnesses because they were successful men who made a good living and were highly respected because of their qualities.. that is a rather small group.

  most elders that i know of aren’t the brightest bulbs in the sky.

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  Phizzy

  The main trouble with many Elders was and is that they are simply not qualified to deal with things that come their way, but are given the impression by the Org that they are.

  When dealing with matters like Abuse, Mental Health , even the personal Finances of the members of their flock, they are simply not qualified and should leave it to those who are, entirely. A huge number of lives have been ruined and even lost because these guys are promoted above their ability, even the intelligent and smart ones are not professionals in the areas I mentioned, so should leave it to those who are, lives depend upon it.