we were told by watchtower that no way jesus was born on dec. 25th.
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what do you think now?.
Jeffro has provided the definitive answers for this Thread, the Jesus Myth is exactly that, we have no facts to go on, the Gospels etc are all Fiction.
It may be fun to debate things about the Stories, as it is about Tolkien stories or whatever, but if you want Facts and Truth about the Historical Jesus, there are none, and I doubt there ever will be.
from the borg?.
i point to none other than cal lehman and the towerwatch ministries.
towewatch.com.. the years following the collapse of the ussr and the 1995 generation left a bad taste in my mouth for a long time.
An Elder kind of provided the Straw that... you know, he promised to come back for a second "Shepherding" visit to prove to me that the 1914 Doctrine was in the Bible. He never returned.
I then went on to Greg Stafford's Site and found , FANTASTIC ! another JW, as he was at the time, who does not believe the 1914 rubbish ! I then researched some more, found MANY who had sussed LONG before me that 1914 was crap, and therefore the G.B were Charlatans, and one of them directed me to this Site !
I must say that members of this Site, REALLY saved me. I was contemplating suicide, would have done it too, had it all worked out, and a good number on here BEGGED me to seek Therapy. I did, and my Depression was put under control. Thank you ! from the very depths of my soul to those Posters, most of whom have moved on now. I would never have known my beautiful grand children, and never once in my life have experienced REAL happiness, if I had topped myself. Thank you Thank you !
phttps://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=e&pub=syr20&srcid=share .
plus another increase in memorial partakes number etc .
I agree with the analysis of these figures on here, nothing to get overly excited about, and good reasons for poor figures, poor from the Org's perspective , not ours !
They will improve a bit on these figures, as Covid is beaten, and will no doubt put forward as a triumph the more dramatic of seeming improvements.
The fact is that the Org is moribund, it will shrink in size because of a number of factors, but I firmly believe it will be around for many decades yet. Its Business Model is a good one still, if less profitable than in the past.
It will be interesting to see the figures that come out in 2023 to get a better picture of what is really happening.
what questions should be asked to a jehovah`s witness when confronted with them.. a jw gives his sermon.
"you" immediately ask him by what authority he has from god that you should take notice of him ,seeing their are over 40,000 different christian religions in the world who claim to represent god,.
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The question posed in the opening Post is one I asked a number of JW's over the years. I had to add the word "unique" in front of the word Doctrine, or they would simply list things that other Christian groups teach, but it would be necessary for them to have at least one unique Doctrine then, that is still taught as truth today, for Jesus to choose that little band of Rutherfordites over far more suitable groups,
Of course, there is not one such Doctrine. I went through this whole argument with one Elder, and after it all he said " Well I think there is enough proof to satisfy me that Jesus chose the J.W's ( as he called them, a name that came later) in 1919". I asked what that proof was, and I won't bore you with the very weak argument he gave, but in the end I gave up.
I am sure that by asking the question of a good number over the years I have planted seeds, I hope so, but Logic, Reason, Facts and Truth do not matter to those Mind Controlled by the Cult.
i've had a few medical procedures.
once, i had a massive loss of blood and needed 6 units of blood to replace the loss.
however, i'm curious as to what ex's state to be their religion when filling out the required paperwork when being admitted into a hospital.
No Religion.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/victims-advocates-abuse-not-just-a-catholic-problem-20180625.html.
victims' advocates: abuse not just a 'catholic problem' .
by peter smith, pittsburgh post-gazette .
It strikes me that the JW Org is doing its usual thing of putting the $$$ before people, having calculated that merely losing Tax breaks is cheaper than paying just compensation, this has been pointed out before as the motive.
This lack of compassion and totally cold-hearted money grab may well come back to bite them badly on the Arse, they will generate far more International bad publicity by not joining the scheme, the idiots.
No wonder they never mention the word, 99% of the time Syllogism is used as a method of reasoning to come to a conclusion that is a Fallacy. And we know who are the Masters of that method, the J.W org !
i would think that the first thing to go for ex jws is the blood ban.
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would you take a transfusion or give blood now!.
I started to donate Blood as soon as I left in 2008. I also visited my Doctor and informed him I was no longer a JW and if I needed a Transfusion I would willingly accept it, he smiled and said " I bet you would !", he also made sure that on my Patient Records there was no mention of refusing a B.T. or of my being a J.W.
After checking the Records he told me that there never had been any such notes on there ! This surprised me a little, because I know we were urged by the Org to make sure such a thing was on our Record, but I obviously had never mentioned it, I also never carried a Suicide (Blood) Card in later years either.
I can understand some ex JW's being reluctant to either Donate or receive Blood, the fear of it ran deep after years of indoctrination, and all for a Doctrine thought up in the late Forties I believe, by Mad Freddy Franz.
So much Blood is on the hands of the Org, including and especially today's G.B. They could change this murderous, totally discredited Doctrine with the stroke of a pen, and call it New Light, they will not for fear of Litigation, so they allow more JW's, even children, to die, all for $$$.
the watchtower—study edition | july 2020.
6. the first-century disciples built their faith on their knowledge of the scriptures and the teachings of jesus christ, that is, “the truth of the good news.” (gal.
2:5) this truth consists of the whole body of christian teachings, including the facts about jesus’ ransom sacrifice and his resurrection.
When I first left the J.W Org I decided I needed to research properly, looking only for facts and evidence that would withstand any scrutiny and any attack, only "truth" of that calibre would suffice.
I started in the reverse order to the one they give in that W.T. number one was the Org, was it " the truth" ? Answer NO !
Number 2 was " The Bible, is it god's word ? " Answer NO!
Number 3 was " Is there a god ?" simple answer NO ! ( certainly all the gods man has made up, even new boy on the block Jehovah, do not exist).
The Org's 3 reasons were demolished completely by proper research that established the Truth of these matters.
A bit of advice to folks who have not done this, start with my Number 3, once you have established that no god invented by man exists, the other things do not matter, apart from perhaps getting rid of the feelings and fears, like Armageddon etc, that the Org embedded in us.
To really " use your power of reason" as the WT says , and use it properly, is to come to the same conclusions as me. If you do not wish to fully use your power of reason, do not want to think rationally, do not want to accept Truth, you remain entrapped in Delusional Belief, a sorry Mental Condition ( Illness).
