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Posts by Phizzy
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Memorial this year?
by carla inhow are they handling the memorial this year?
zoom or open kh's?
how do they reject the wine & bread in their own home?
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Phizzy
I have just received my Invite this morning, simply addressed to the House, not an individual who lives here. The little typed note that accompanied the actual Invitation, which has a Poncy looking Jesus on the front, this note from an Elder, has an opening sentence that is gobbledegook ! He obviously didn't proofread what he had written!
I did think I might e-mail him and point out this gaffe, but then I thought, nah, let it stand, they are less likely to trap someone if they send out stuff written by what appears to be either an illiterate or lazy person.
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When was your last Kingdom Hall meeting?
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini stopped going to kingdom hall meetings about nine years ago.
i was fading for the longest time, refused to go out in field service, dropped out of the ministry school talks, no longer answered at the watchtower study, arrived at the meetings the last second, and left as soon as possible.
i couldn't take attending the meetings any longer.
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Phizzy
When I left around 14 years ago, as I walked out of the K.H, I looked back and thought " I shall never enter that place again" . Well I did. Two or three times, but only for Funerals.
I simply could not muster the strength to suffer the pain and boredom of an actual J.W meeting, the pain coming from not being able to shout out " This is all False, Deluded Nonsense !" or something similar.
I doubt I will attend another Funeral, not that the last one was too bad, they seem to have mellowed a bit , and at least some of the content was a Eulogy to the Departed one, but I still find the experience excruciatingly painful, for the above reasons. I should really, I suppose, be able to suffer it like I do other Religion's Funeral Services, but it is different for me, a J.W one.
I wish all the best to you poor sods who are "awake" but still have to attend !
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JW Net and Politics
by snare&racket inthis site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
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I agree 100% with Snare's O.P.
When I joined , this Site was literally a life Saver to me, but if my first experience of the Site had been of Political Bigotry, of any colour, I would not have stuck with it, as it was, it was a shock to my sensitive J.W self, and that was only the very quick demolition of many of my lifelong beliefs.
What we had then was a good number of Posters who would in a very kindly way set you straight, now what we have is a lot of what we see elsewhere on Social Media , where a "discussion" quickly descends in to Ad Hominem attacks on those holding different views to your self. I wonder if this is why a number of the more erudite and useful contributors have left over the last 3 or 4 years ?
As has been said, some sort of subsection of the Site for Political Bigots to fight it out might work, or keep purely Political comments and Threads off the Site ? I don't know, but surely this should be a safe haven, that kindly informs and directs, someone trying to get free of the Org ??
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Evolution a proven fact? LOL
by Rex B13 insome interesting quotes from evolutionists.
natural history, vol.
' new scientist, vol.
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Phizzy
" I never use fossils to try to support evolution." Richard Dawkins called the Fossil Record a "bonus" for the Theory of Evolution, not a Foundation.
The firm establishment of the Fact of Evolution by Natural Selection needs no support from us, mere lay persons, anyway. The Scientific community has done its work for over a Century proving it as Truth. A number of branches of Science use it in the work they do. Of course, as with any Scientific Theory, new knowledge adds to it, which is why it is called a Theory, it is not set in stone, but the Fact of Evolution as a process by which Flora and Fauna got to where we are today will not be overturned.
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Magadan
by molybdenum init seems that g. jackson got confused during his presentation relating to jesus and his going to magadan.
( check out lloyd evans "magadangate") but the jw community seems very hesitant and quiet on this apparent "faux pas".
has anyone had any feedback from jw's that you know on this or are they just sweeping it under the carpet as being nothing of particular note?.
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Phizzy
" They are going to make a film of the life of Jesus so they are trying to figure out when he said this or that so they can plan the scenes."
Must be a nightmare trying to do that, the Gospels contradict themselves on many things, and it would seem are not written with due care as to the order of events and statements etc. What uniformity there is comes from the Gospel of Mark being written first, and "Matthew" and "Luke" cribbing from it. The writer of John goes his own way, and changes many things. Even the day and time of Jesus' death. I wonder how they will waffle around THAT ?
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Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?
by joey jojo ingen 1: 11 says: .
11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.
12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.
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" I view Genesis chapter one as a simplified parable, not a scientific document." Fine, but once you start down the route of " Oh, that bit is a metaphor, or a parable" or whatever, where do you stop ?
Adam and Eve, a parable ? Well, yes, it is, sort of in actuality, but for Bible believers that means that original Sin did not happen, or " The Fall", only in a Parable, so sin did not enter the World then at that time. ( So Paul got it wrong).
And so on. Many other questions of faith arise if it is all metaphors and Parables.
The easiest conclusion to come to is that the Bible is a collection of writings made over several Centuries, by mere men, and is not the Word of God.
If you come to that conclusion, why believe in the Bible god as a Creator ?
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Memorial this year?
by carla inhow are they handling the memorial this year?
zoom or open kh's?
how do they reject the wine & bread in their own home?
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Phizzy
It looks to me as though this year the JW's have synchronized with our Jewish friends and agree on 27th March for Nisan 14th. In a good number of years the JW's go their own merry way and say Nisan 14th is on a different day to that which our Jewish friends put it.
If this was out of some desire to be accurate then I suppose it would be understandable, but as the Gospels differ on the day of Jesus' death, surely the day of the Last Supper cannot be established with any certainty ?
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Watchtower Changes Position On Sodomites
by Sea Breeze inwhy all the flipflops?.
1886 sodomites resurrected = yes!“thus our lord teaches that the sodomites did not have a full opportunity; and he guarantees them such opportunity… it implies their awakening, their coming from the tomb.”—the divine plan of the ages, 1886, pp.
110-111 (view pdf of these pages).
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Phizzy
Were the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah REALLY the recipients of a judgement from El/Yahweh for Homosexuality ? or for some other reason ?
The Story has been interpreted by reading back in to it the prejudices of later times, but when you look at the time in History when this event is supposed to happen, is it really about Homosexuality ? Leviticus hadn't been written.
What justification would there be for this judgement from El/Yahweh ? Had he warned the inhabitants that Homosexuality was wrong, and that he was actually a god and would punish for it ?
Or was El or Yahweh more likely to punish because the tradition of the Desert that a guest in your midst is given safety was transgressed ?
