Posts by Phizzy

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Do You Still Easily Believe Everything?

by minimus in

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to be a witness you had to accept whatever spiritual food was being dished out.

even if it didn’t make any sense, we were expected to believe.

now that we are out of the cult, do you find yourself a person who doesn’t just accept the status quo?

Phizzy

When I woke up I realised that the Org had lied and lied and lied to me for many decades. If I had only done some serious testing of their false claims, I could have been free much earlier in Life.

I decided I would only trust that something was true if it had evidence and facts to back it that would stand the most rigorous of scrutiny, and preferably scrutiny by experts in the field.

I have done that ever since, even checking to see who is financing Scientists or others that claim this or that, and checking references in Scientific Papers, often the references come from other Scientists that take the same stance as the Paper, which is no validation necessarily, sometimes it is. You have to use judgement.

I apply this system elsewhere too. So I am unlikely to be caught out by trusting that some random bloke on the internet has it right, and experts who agree a consensus opinion are wrong.

I will not be fooled again.

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Interesting stats from the UK Home Office on 'hate crime'

by LoveUniHateExams in

apparently, a rape victim of the asian grooming gangs has wrote to the home office after breaking down the hate crime unit's statistics on hate crimes in the uk.. apparently, the guy who ran over a muslim outside finsbury park mosque committed a hate crime, but the islamist who ran people over and stabbed people on london bridge did not, according to the hate crime unit within the home office.. very interesting video detailing dodgy presentation of statistics ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi4pdojpc1c.

Phizzy

The very sad thig about the effect of this totally unjustifiable attitude by the Home Office and the presentation of Statistics in such a misleading way, is that the Numb nuts in Government will go along with this, and more crimes by the people who are being shielded by this will happen.

Why is the Home Office, the Justice system the Government and the MSM so frightened of identifying Criminals, and the incidence of criminality, within certain Ethnic groups and Religious people of a certain kind ? why do they get a free ride ?

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The three wise men

by Simon in

just a thought.... looking through the greatest man book, something just occurred to me which i can't recall has ever been highlighted (but please correct me).. i always thought it a bit strange that jehovah allowed the three pagan astrologers to find jesus especially as they were obviously guided to him by satan's star (remember they were led to herod first who wanted to kill the messiah).

what purpose did it serve?.

well, a few pages earlier in tgm book, we see mary presenting a dove as a sin offering at the temple - this was the cheapest offering that was acceptable which must have meant that they were pretty poor at the time.. shortly after the three wise men visited the family had to flee to egypt when herod started to kill all the young boys in an attempt to kill jesus.. what would they need to travel and live as exiles for a couple of years?.

Phizzy

This is from a Biblical Scholar on another Site : " The first thing to know is that the author of Matthew’s Gospel used the Greek word magi, which does not actually mean ‘wise men’, but is a reference to the priests of the then-great Zoroastrian religion of the Persian Empire. When Matthew says they came from the east, he was alluding to the direction of Babylon and Persia. It is, of course, inconceivable that Zoroastrian priests would be in the least interested in the birth of a purported king of Judah. It is scientifically inconceivable that a star could be followed so accurately to Jerusalem and then to Bethlehem and actually stand over the very house where Jesus was. However, our author (he was anonymous and very unlikely to have been called Matthew) knew that the magi were well known for their wisdom and for their knowledge of astrology, so he knew this nativity account would be plausible.

What I am saying there, in line with the general consensus of scholars, is that the magi of Bethlehem did not really exist. There was no star of Bethlehem, which is why it was never reported outside this Gospel.

The author wanted to achieve two things: i) to show that even the priests of that great religion would want to worship Jesus; ii) provide a reason for Herod to seek to kill all the infant boys, so that he could draw a parallel between Herod and the Old Testament pharaoh who sought to kill all the infant boys, and therefore a parallel between Jesus and Moses.

You do not find non-Christian information about the magi of Bethlehem because there is none."

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Have You Been “Gaslit”?

by minimus in

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friends

gaslighting is a form of sustained manipulation that causes the victim to question or doubt their sanity, judgment and memories.

it’s a form of emotional abuse.

i think jehovah’s witnesses have been gaslit.

Phizzy

"we do not discuss lies about the organisations with apostates."

Well that's good then, Apostates only want to discuss the TRUTH about the Org.

"Gas Lighting" is convincing you that you are mad, and you are the one in the wrong, JW Org and its members try to convince us that we are the ones who have "lost their minds" and that we are Dire Sinners for leaving the Org.

The truth of the matter is, we are the ones NOT deluded, and we have left a very coercive and abusive Relationship with a Mind Controlling Authoritarian Cult.

We are brave SURVIVORS of "Gaslighting".

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Do You Know Of Anyone That Has Seen A Therapist Because Of Being A Witness?

by minimus in

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friends

i really don’t know of many people who got into therapy because of their jw dealings but i would think that if someone remains depressed or severely affected by their past witness life, it’s not a bad idea to speak to someone to get you on the right path.

i think this site has been very therapeutic for many over the years..

Phizzy

I too consulted a Therapist/Psychologist , if I hadn't I would not be here. The Cult life had left me severely depressed to the point of suicide. I would have killed myself without doubt had I not had the help of an understanding Therapist who knew how to treat people like XJW's .

Sadly some people who set up as Therapists are not very qualified, or they do not understand the Cult experience, but fortunately mine had a string of Letters after her name and was skilled, and had previously treated a number of XJW's.

If you need help get it, and I hope you find someone able to help you live your life to the full and be happy. We deserve that.

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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

by TruthMatters in

it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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Phizzy

Thank you Simon, what a waste of space that person was ! and the Pure Irony of the username chosen ! whoever it was had zero interest in Truth !

As soon as personal insults began to spill out from the Twat, it was obvious she/he was not here to debate. There are too many ignorant Trolls elsewhere on the Internet, without cluttering up this place.

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Do local JWs want in-person meetings back in your congregation?

by JWTom in

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i realize many here think that in-person meetings will return as soon as things are safe with covid.

but many acknowledge it will likely be 2022 or later when this happens.. surprisingly, many pimi jws in our congregation are not shy about saying they are fine with zoom meetings forever and do not want to go back to in-person meetings.

many speculate similar thoughts that are on this site....such as a combination of in-person and zoom meetings.

Phizzy

I think they will gradually go entirely on-line, and then sell off all the remaining buildings.

Then they will shrink in numbers year on year, until the last J.W in a Care Home looks wistfully out of a window and wonders why the Paradise Earth has not come yet, having wasted all of her or his life on a Scam posing as a religion.

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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

by TruthMatters in

it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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Phizzy

" welcome to the site TruthMatters--I hope you stick around."

I agree Stan ! we haven't had a JW Apologist of any stripe on here for a long time !

I remember when I first joined the heavy hitters on here were able to quickly demolish all the claims, and it was so affirming to me that JW Org were a scam, not a religion.

As to "truth form the Bible", that Book has been totally discredited as a source of truth long ago.

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Jewish Hatred Is Nothing New

by minimus in

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jews have been vilified for centuries!

they were nomads looking for the promised land.

they have been nearly exterminated and yet they are still in the middle east as well as a brotherhood throughout the world.

Phizzy

" Wasn't it the Italians? "

Yes ! of course it was, only they could administer Capital Punishment, which is your point I guess Simon.

The Gospel story of some religious Jews provoking the Roman Governor to execute him is no doubt total Fiction, and maybe was concocted to further counter the remaining influence of Jewish religious thought upon Christianity.

Sadly this evil bit of Fiction has provoked many murders and much evil persecution by "Christians" over the Centuries, when really the "guilty" ones were the ancestors of today's Garlic Smelling Pizza-munchers.(< I'm Joking !).

Of course, to persecute my Italian friends and relatives for something done by a Roman Governor and his soldiers 2000 years ago, none of whom may actually have been Italian ! would be ignorant, stupid and thoroughly evil. As is all Racism.

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Constantine

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

the fact that the majority of the world jumps when you say 'god' is traced back to one guy.

constantine, this is the one man that made christianity the official religion rome thus masking the beliefs of people until the reformation a literal hell.. oh yes mohamed knew his teaching later.. when you say 'god' as if other people are supposed to be impressed you owe that to constantine.

not a mythical figure named jesus, .

Phizzy

You are correct Rivergang, with the Edict of Milan Constantine made it safe to be a Christian, or of any other religion !

Theodosius later made Christianity the Religion of choice of the Empire. He was a Christian, and believed the Trinity to be an accurate Doctrine, so that became part of the orthodoxy he imposed.

He seemed tolerant of other religions existence, but did not encourage them ! For that reason from his time on it was expedient for people to appear to be Christian, hence at the remains of a Roman Villa near where I live we have the wealthy owner's Christian Chapel boldly displayed as part of the Villa, but by a stairway, well hidden no doubt, you could go down to a Temple below the Chapel that was used to worship Mithras in secret. Fascinating !