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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

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  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Phizzy

  They are stuck with 1914 for a while yet, as they have to keep the idea of an imminent Armageddon in the minds of J.W's, or many more would leave.

  They have debated at the top level many times over the decades how to extricate themselves from the 1914 nonsense, and came up with nothing that would work to keep the Org. going for perpetuity. Hence the stop-gap Overlapping Generation nonsense.

  The REAL problem they have is simply expressed as :

  No 1914 = No choosing by Jesus in 1919 = The Governing Body are self-appointed Charlatans.

  I have no doubt they will extricate themselves from this impasse, but mainly by burying the teachings in a miasma of "New Light", until 1914 is as forgotten and irrelevant as Russell's Pyramidology.
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

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  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  Phizzy

  Free Will and Determinism will be debated by every generation of Philosophers.

  Neither, it seems, exist in the absolute, determinism does not seem to fit in with Quantum Mechanics, and so many factors affect our choices that we cannot say we are truly Free, or that our Will is something that we control 100%.

  But we DO have choices, we need the strength of character to make good ones.
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  Ali Millar

  by jonahstourguide in

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  2. entertainment

  hi all.. a news article regarding ali millar popped up on abc here in australia.. some of you folks in the uk may have heard of her.. she has released a book entitled 'the last days'.

  i guess from the article that her story rings true to anyone aware of the wt religions' modus operandi.. here is the link and i will paste some of the news article.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/ali-millar-jehovahs-witnesses-leaving-her-religion-being-shunned/101266998.

  ali millar's upbringing in the jehovah's witnesses was traumatic.

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  Phizzy

  I have just finished reading Ali's excellent Book, I cannot praise it enough !

  It is as easy to read as a Novel in some ways, it is amazing how she bares her very Soul, and shows what a terrible effect the teachings of the J.W's have on the mind and emotions of a young child, to such a degree, that the fears and pain remain long in to adulthood.

  It reads like Poetry in a good number of places, she writes with great skill, evoking the places she has lived, the people she has met, but never holding back on things that were mistakes, or her own emotional responses.

  Her exposition of what it is like to live in the J.W enclosed world, and how difficult it is to enter the "foreign" world of normal people is the best I have ever read.

  Needless to say the J.W. spokesperson Tom Pecipajkovski lies about what being a Witness is like, with the usual not quite "half-truths" about each JW following their own conscience. The truth of the matter is J.W's are not ALLOWED to have their own conscience !

  Get hold of a Copy, it will be the best Book you will read this year !
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  Was you or your family ever a local needs talk subject?

  by Foolednomore in

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  our family was always a topic on a local needs talk.

  but it was funny when the brothers needed money they would come with their hands out.

  this is when we lived in the states.

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  Phizzy

  I doubt I ever featured in such a talk, the Elders could not work out why I had left !

  I remember one such talk a good few years back, and because I knew what it was about, and who, due to Elder gossip, I understood it. It concerned a person, never baptised, who only came along a few times, but the Eldubs found out a bit about the person's past, and present living arrangements, but of course could do nothing about it !

  After this pointless Talk, most of the Congo. went around saying, "What on Earth was all that about ? ".
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  Elder Arrangement

  by vienne in

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  hi everyone, (including the person who down votes all of my posts).

  as some of you know, i'm working toward my master's degree.

  comments from those associated when the elder arrangement was introduced would help me with a research paper.. what was the reaction among adherents?

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  Phizzy

  Where was the Holy Spirit in all this ? absent on leave ? Evidently the H.S is even further away from the Org. these days.
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  An aspect of dealing with my elderly, PIMI, Father

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for a bit of back ground.

  i’m a full blown pomo apostate.

  nothing would please me more to see wt burn to the ground.

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  Phizzy

  Two Elders came to my door, a few years after I had left, the younger of the two, newly appointed, told me the Governing Body had asked them to call on me, as if THAT half-truth would impress me.

  The older of the two got on to the matter of DFing people, somehow, and I said "Well, you can't DF me, I have never been a part of the religion as it is now, you J.W's have changed all the fundamental teachings ! ". I was referring mainly to the laughable overlapping generation nonsense.

  I think if you left before that change, what I said is a good thing to say, telling them they no longer have any power over you.

  I concur with the advice not to D.A. For anyone ! when you first leave it is tempting, to get some closure, but the J.W's do not suffer if you do it, you do.
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  Geographical inaccuracies you cant shake

  by GabeAthouse in

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  where your mental image of a place does not match up with where you intellectually know it actually is?

  1. great britain: i always picture it to the west of france.

  if i'm reading about the norman invasion or d-day i always see it in my head as crossing the channel east-west / west-east.

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  Phizzy

  " a quick look at it on a globe reveals its true size."

  True, a Flat Map cannot really show the true size of a Country, as that Country sits on the outer surface of a ball, but a flat map gives a quick idea of how many sq. miles a Country has, for some, and Greenland has a good few ! And importantly for some, the actual location of Countries, in relation to each other, and the Equator etc.

  I want to get a really old fashioned Globe, just to see the errors made before Satellites etc ! As to the relative sizes of say the USA, which is, 9.834 million sq.km. and Greenland is , 2.166 million sq.km. It is far easier to appreciate this on a Globe, thanks for pointing that out LUHE ! Perhaps all Geography Classrooms should have a Globe, as in my youth, we had one at home too.
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  WT Finger Pointing

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  do you have examples of wt style finger pointing (with 3 pointing right back).

  "satans organization claims to be gods organization, and persecutes those who are actually members of gods organization.

  satans organization sails under the high-sounding name of "christendom".

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  Phizzy

  I remember a guy giving a Talk at what we called a Circuit Assembly in those days, he said "Remember, when you point the finger, there are three fingers pointing back at you !".

  OH how that applies to the J.W org !!
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  I’m a current elder ex bethel in London

  by Mikejw in

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  i was in bethel for years early 2000s and was heavily involved with brd from start to finish .

  im current elder in one of the congregations in london.

  what i’ve noticed is huge changes since covid .

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  Phizzy

  What is BRD ? short for bird ?
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

  1. jw
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  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  Phizzy

  When I was a young fella in August 1975, I started my private Pension, thinking the State Pension here in the U.K would not be sufficient. I was right, though being a J.W, I really did not expect to draw any pension from any source.

  Remember, the End of the World, Armageddon and the New Order were all supposed to kick off in October '75.

  As a serving M.S I was criticised by some Elders, lack of faith and all that, but I said "If I do not draw a pension, then great, but if I have to, I have one".

  I realise now I did not have any faith in the words of those men who ruined so many lives with their Bullshit. Thankfully.