Thanks Doug. I have downloaded the Paper to read later.
Posts by Phizzy
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1Transforming the Messiahs
by Doug Mason inmy latest paper, titled: “transforming the messiahs: earthly monarchs and high priests to celestial liberators”, is currently available for comment and criticism at https://www.academia.edu/s/cc5695ac34?source=link .
doug.
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C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !
by Phizzy innote this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?
in a much smaller org ?.
maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.
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Phizzy
Thank you Jan, for that inside information, and what a contrast to the J.W org !
They fall woefully short on this, its almost as though they relish, and wish to keep, the title that some on here bestowed upon them years ago, the "Paedophile's Paradise".
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C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !
by Phizzy innote this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?
in a much smaller org ?.
maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.
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Phizzy
Note this Report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. If J.W's in the U.K did a similar, thorough trawl of all Congregation Records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many Cases of Abuse would they uncover ? in a much smaller Org ?
Maybe the File destruction that has gone on was to protect the org. and its £££ from a proper investigation such as this.
Note too the Apology, and the things put in place to mitigate the harm done, by the C of E. Another contrast in attitude.
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2022-10-04-Documents!
by Atlantis in2022-10-s-147-announcements and reminders.
2022-10-04-mandatory reporting training.
2022-10-04-questions and answers concerning the online course for mandatory reporting.. .
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Phizzy
They discourage the Elders from admitting that they are JW's ,why ? because they do not want any connection with Elders mishandling CSA to bite the Org. in the arse, and it actually cost them some $$$.
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Had to laugh.
by Lost in the fog ini had to laugh.. i bumped into a friend who has started going back to the meetings and who has that enthusiastic arm-waving way of talking about the stuff they're hearing from the platform.. in part he's wittering on about some talk they'd had about king david and all of his ups and downs.
and says, "and as the speaker emphasized over and over again, we can imitate david because he was a man just like ourselves.".
" i finally interrupted.. that shut him up.
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Phizzy
"Was this geezer running around naked at the time?" and was he "Dancing before the Lord" like a maniac ?
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JW Obession with the trinity
by Riley inso a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.
funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.
it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.
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Phizzy
" neither the trinity nor the divinity of Jesus were original Christian doctrine." The Gospel of John, particularly Chapter One, but throughout, not original Christian doctrine then ? "John" is in no doubt of the Divinity of Christ.
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JW Obession with the trinity
by Riley inso a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.
funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.
it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.
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Phizzy
The thing that boils my piss about the J.W. org is their constant crowing that they are right and Christendom has got it all wrong.
I can remember this feeling when they used to constantly brag about how they had got 1914 right, and the other Christian religions had missed this event in heaven ! I remember sitting there during a W.T Study and thinking "I wish they could be proved wrong over this, just to shut them up". well, they were, and it didn't.
The Trinity is another exactly parallel thing, they keep on about how it is a false Doctrine, to such an extent that J.W's go to great efforts to get "interested" persons to reject the Doctrine. The problem is that the J.W org has got this one wrong too.
I don't wish to get in to a big discussion on the Trinity, but suffice to say, if you know how to read the Bible, as an Academic expert in the field would, and if you know about how Philosophical thought works, you will see how later Theologians developed the Trinity Doctrine and why, you will also understand that it isn't in any way a deal breaker as J.W org would have it.
The org hypocritically goes on about how it isn't found spelled out in a simple formula in the Bible, and developed after the 1st Century, well that rather brings us back to the Foundation Doctrine of the J.W org, the 1914 nonsense doesn't it ?
That Doctrine suffers from the above problems levelled at the Trinity, plus it is not to be found anywhere at all in Scripture, unless you are mildly insane about Biblical interpretation and understanding.
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Phizzy
Time for a Velvet Revolution in the U.K. We have no other way to get rid of these people who are making our Country a total ruin.
Waiting for a General Election is no good, we must bring them down Poll Tax protest style, but without the criminal damage.
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Sister In "Pants" Carrying the Microphone--Brother in "Jeans" out in Service!
by Atlantis inclick the image to enlarge.. sister carrying microphone at kingdom hall in pants!.
https://postimg.cc/jdjysmgt.
brother in blue jeans out in service.. https://postimg.cc/z36bj89h .
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Phizzy
About 18/9 years ago, fresh out of J.W. org, I attended a lovely old church, just once to see what it was like, I guess built early 1800's, a vibrant Preacher, but I was dressed as I would have been for a J,W meeting, shirt, tie, trousers, jacket etc, polished shoes.
All the Congregation were in smart casual, the teen kids in their version, and the teens all sat together, even the preacher was smart casual, open neck shirt etc.
I felt distinctly over dressed. The atmos. was great, really fun and friendly, the Band that played Christian Rock was really good too.
The Church served an area that was only a small fraction of the vast Territory "served" by our K.H, so lots of alternative places for people to worship nearby. That Sunday morning our K.H would have been half empty, this Church was FULL !
J.W org needs to modernise big time, and attract people, or die from lack of funds. I hope the latter happens. And may Churches like the one I attended, prosper, and continue to provide what people want. People don't want an Authoritarian group to tell them how to dress, and to bore them to death.
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Lifetime Regret for Not Expressing my Love to a Non-JW
by a-JW-girl ini want to impart some advice from my life experience that i hope will help others in a similar situation and prevent them from making the same mistakes i did, ruining my life.
to begin with, i’m a 52-year-old single woman, i’ve been a devout jw since i was a little girl.
i had an abusive dad who left my mom, my two sisters and me when we were fairly young.
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Phizzy
I have known a good number of successful relationships that have come after one, the other,or both ended a previous one, so to imply that it cannot work does not always apply, yes, you may feel that 100% trust is not possible, but thta may be a small price to pay fpor mutual happiness.
There never is a black and white to these situations, or an adage that always works, without exception.