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  Temple Talk

  by peacefulpete in

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  recall the famous charge made against jesus in his trial in the gospel mark: .

  “we heard him say, ‘i will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days i will build another, not made with hands.’”.

  matt has a shorter version which likely reflects what he saw in his copy of mark *:.

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  Phizzy

  Thank you PP ! before I read this Thread I didn't think of the possibility that "Mark" was written as a Play , purely for entertainment perhaps, or maybe with a didactic motive as well.

  What you suggest as to several Copies makes sense, it was already noted that, if memory serves, "Luke" and "Matthew", though reproducing the bulk of "Mark" , they differ on the wording in places, most likely meaning different copies in front of them as they wrote their Fiction. This make more sense if it were a Play, the Scribes making copies would not be as careful perhaps with a Play as they would with a supposed devotional Work.

  The writers of Matthew and Luke did not think it was a Play though ?? but maybe thought that the content was factual, even if dramatized ?
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  Clean Copy of Announcements!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2022 december s-147 announcements and reminders.. without all the high-lighting.

  a clean copy.

  the other copy was a bit hard to read.page 1.----https://postimg.cc/jh8xchtypage 2.----https://postimg.cc/2bkb1n3v also, you might want this kingdom ministry school program for congregation elders.page 1.----https://postimg.cc/3k3t58qgpage 2.----https://postimg.cc/bj7wyjfzpage 3.----https://postimg.cc/ywpqh4xxcookie thief!

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  Phizzy

  Thank you ! Two things struck me, the emphasis on getting young guys into the system,so they can be M.S and then subsequently an Elder, at a tender age, that will work well won't it ? Ha Ha.

  And second, I don't know how long this has been going on, but no food for Elders at their next go-over-the-usual-crapfest. At one time local sisters would organise a lunch. So, the sisters have lost that "privilege!"
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  Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.

  i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.

  the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.

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  Phizzy

  I fully intended to fade after the Memorial in the year I left, so I attended the Mid-week meeting just after, intending to slowly miss the odd meeting, gradually increasing the gaps, the usual,fade.

  But that night, I walked out of the Meeting straight after the final prayer, stood in the car park and looked back at the K.H and thought : " I can never set foot in their again".

  So I stopped , cold turkey. Probably easier as it happened, had I attended the odd meeting, "concerned" J.W's would have asked me why I was missing before, and I would have had to lie.

  For a long time, just passing the K.H. made me feel a bit nauseous, but eventually I did go back in, for the odd family Funeral only.

  To this day I am a "faded" (inactive) "JW" , it makes relations with JW family members easier than if I had disassociated.

  It would be unbearable even now to attend a normal meeting, I would not be able to listen to all the nonsense and keep my fat gob shut !
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  Those who have a religion in decline in England and Wales !

  by Phizzy in

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  https://www.thenewselephant.co.uk/oh-shit-theyre-finally.... "oh shit, they're finally seeing through our bollocks!

  " say church leaders after england and wales revealed to be minority christian countries.

  good !.

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  Phizzy

  https://www.thenewselephant.co.uk/oh-shit-theyre-finally...

  "OH SHIT, THEY'RE FINALLY SEEING THROUGH OUR BOLLOCKS!" SAY CHURCH LEADERS AFTER ENGLAND AND WALES REVEALED TO BE MINORITY CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES

  Good !

  
  
  
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  Two Translators Who Restored God’s Name to the NT

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the first prayers that many people learn is the lord’s prayer, which jesus taught his followers.

  this prayer is found in what is commonly called the new testament.

  the prayer begins: “our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or hallowed].” (matthew 6:9) yet, god’s name, rendered in english as “jehovah” or sometimes “yahweh,” is rarely found in english translations of the new testament.

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  Phizzy

  As I have said before on similar Threads, the hypocrisy and talking out of both sides of their mouths that is done in this instance by the JW org is blatantly obvious.

  They claim that their guiding principle in producing the NWT was to go by the authority of the oldest extant Manuscripts. Hence they rightly , according to that principle, exclude verses that are not in the oldest MS.

  None of the oldest MS, or M.S fragments of the N.T contain the Divine Name.

  No wonder the NWT has zero credibility among N.T Scholars.
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  New Discovery at Mt. Ebal: the earliest historical instance of the name of God

  by Terry in

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  https://youtu.be/guzbxzdpflo.

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  Phizzy

  "the ABR team failed to get permission for the Mt. Ebal sifting project from either the Palestinian Authority or Israel’s Staff Officer for Archaeology of the Civil Administration of Judea and Samaria, calling into question the legality of the project and the find. Additionally, the ABR team did not receive an export license to take the tablet out of the country for analysis, as is required by Israeli law." Not fishy at all this find is it ? All done like true professionals ....not. It strikes me that if it was as early as claimed this could be proof of the god called Yahweh by us as being part of the Canaanite pantheon before the adoption as a main god of their tribes by the Israelites. Not at all what Bible believers wish to believe.
  
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  Jesus as 'The mighty + almighty God'

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses refuse to believe that jesus is the almighty god.

  they would state that jesus is 'mighty', but not almighty.. below is a 30 minute video proving from the word of god that the lord jesus christ is both mighty and almighty, separate from the father but equal too.. the verses used from scripture show without a doubt that christ is mighty (isaiah 9:6) and almighty (rev 1:7-8)..

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  Phizzy

  Isaiah was not talking about some obscure itinerant preacher called Jesus of Nazareth. Isaiah is talking of an already anointed King, in his own time. To read back into this a "prophecy" for centuries later is a misuse of Scripture.
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  Something that bothers me personally

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (i apologise if this is the wrong section for this - its the one i think suits best)this may sound really cliché (it does in my opinion) and a first world thing, but it bothers me someone can be like this and spout these "illogical" arguments (among others, which i will list as questions in the near future)i recently (as of 21/11/22) finished up a conversation with someone on a few things - i find one of their "implications" slightly concerning.. they wouldn't accept "evidence" from scholars who seemingly didn't agree with their standpoint which is interesting.

  i.e on the divine name, i listed scholars such as george howard - i got the answer "try a real scholar"or another example i cited beduhn as (in my opinion) he is easy to understand but then got told "he doesn't teach greek at a university so his opinion is not valid" - scholars may not cite beduhn, but from looking at other factors he really gets nothing wrong (linguistically)once again i apologise if this is wasting anyone's time.

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  Phizzy

  "you seem to be focusing on the Jewish name for God", the problem with arguing about it is manifold, but YHWH is in all probability not a "Jewish" or Hebrew name anyway. The god YHWH came from a nearby people, who spoke a language no doubt closely related among the Semitic languages to Hebrew, but different even so.

  If you are arguing about whether "Jehovah" should be in the N.T at all, Scholars are not in agreement at all upon this. The arguments both ways are good.

  As Pete says above, it isn't important as far as its use in the NWT is concerned apart from two aspects, one is that it is obvious that the bias of the NWT producers/editors is obvious as to when they do put "Jehovah" in and when they do not, and the second is the JW org. contention that they bow to the authority of the earliest M.S , they do not in this case do they ?
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  Temple Talk

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recall the famous charge made against jesus in his trial in the gospel mark: .

  “we heard him say, ‘i will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days i will build another, not made with hands.’”.

  matt has a shorter version which likely reflects what he saw in his copy of mark:.

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  Phizzy

  As with all the Gospels, totally exact dating is impossible for Mark. We know it has suffered additions, the long Ending being the obvious, but was the bit written about the temple rebuild a fair time after 70 CE, a year or two, when it was obvious that it wasn't going to happen, the "three days" being long gone ?

  On the Zechariah "prophecy" this comes from the section of the book known as Second Zechariah from Chapter 9 on from memory, so is it a prophecy ? or by the time of writing was rebuilding well under way ? Please correct me if I have this wrong Pete, this is just my rambling thoughts, prompted by my skepticism of any seeming bible prophecy.
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  It appears Paul utilized Wisdom of Solomon

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  romans 1:18-31.

  18 the wrath of god is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about god is plain to them, because god has made it plain to them.

  20 for since the creation of the world god’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.. 21 for although they knew god, they neither glorified him as god nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

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  Phizzy

  Good find Pete ! I always like to find where the Bible Writers have plagiarised plot ideas and , as here, whole chunks of the written word.

  This is the first time I have been made aware of Paul doing it. Are there perhaps, other instances ?

  This is quite incendiary stuff for homophobic fundamentalist Christians, as Paul is obviously not inspired to write the words they love to quote, but is quoting the Unknown writer of a 1st Century BCE Book identified by them as Apocryphal !