Posts by Phizzy

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things shelved, not looked into because of group think

by enoughisenough in

here are some things i never really believed the jw taught...i just didn't really examine it closely.

i shelved it, so to speak, thinking no one is perfect and they know more than me...if i ever thought about it at all.. i never believed that only jws would be spared at armageddon.

i never believed the where in james, you went to the elders to confess being spiritually sick-always thought that referred to a real illness.

Phizzy

I often wonder what my life would have been if I hadn't shelved things, I can remember, but not firmly date, a few times when a question that rocked the teachings occurred to me, and yet I shelved it, shoved it to the back of my mind.

The first big one was when I was at mum's for lunch in around 1981, and she was telling me about some who had left the org. she said "They do not believe in 1914!" as though that would clinch things, but I remember thinking, but not saying of course, "I'm not sure I do". Why Oh Why did I not pursue that thought ?

I could have been free from that time, instead of about 25 years later !

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Article & Documentary on the Divine name

by Blotty in

video documentary and academic article on the divine name:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljpgxsyiqtc&ab_channel=johnwyatthttps://www.academia.edu/14029315/the_name_of_god_y_eh_ow_ah_which_is_pronounced_as_it_is_written_i_eh_ou_ah_simplified_edition?email_work_card=title this does not prove gods name was present in the nt, however some points do lead us to that conclusion simply by process of elimination.

Phizzy

I do not trust the conclusions and arguments of Gertoux, he is especially at odds with a large number of Scholars, from more than one Field, in his contention that the Exodus, and surrounding events, actually took place. I seem to remember reading somewhere that he believes Eve was a real person ???

The Video is as boring, overblown and inaccurate as any produced by the JW org.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

" They will end the 1914 teaching with something similarly misleading, falsely prophesied."

I do not think they intend to end the 1914 nonsense in a way that actually shows it to be what it is.

They are forced to do what they did with Rutherford's 1925 tripe, let it die, bury it, move on.

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Jehovah's witnesses sying County Governor om Oslo and Boken, Norway

by InquiryMan in

oops title going wrong.

suing, in and viken correct.

this afternoon a press release from the jw has been published in major news outlets in norway concerning the withdrawal of registration etc..

Phizzy

They are doing their usual arrogant thing of thinking they are above the Law, and can ignore Human Rights, and thinking they will win in Court because they "have Jehovah's backing".

I sincerely hope they lose, as people's lives are at stake here, and the reverberations of a loss in Court will go throughout Europe and maybe the World.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Phizzy

" Franz had a talent for continuity ...." Mad Freddy was Autistic, and that helped him to disregard the problems with his theology etc. But he was crafty, and wriggled his way around the problems, he knew he was bull-shitting on some level, but he was good at it, he would have made a better politician than Trump, not so openly corrupt and dishonest.

How they now deal with this "dead horse" they are still flogging will be fascinating to see, but their retention rate is already pathetic, their conversion rate of members of the public is equally piss-poor, they need to do SOMETHING, re-branding did nothing much for them.

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Exercise Patience Regional Convention

by Rattigan350 in

the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

Phizzy

There was a Thread or two on here that explained the Assembly Hall and Regional Convention Accounting Scam, one Thread was done by an Elder who knew all about the method.

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How unpopular is JW org with the American Public ?

by Phizzy in

barb.

anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down j.w org is !.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=iwar0-i-ju-nmskoh2yvbnfacipc_vptwmjzrsjn58if3jxicq41vv2ke0lu0.

Phizzy

1,000 people seems to be the norm for you-gov surveys, which is why they are often bollocks. They can't afford to spend too much, they have to build up a few more £Millionfor Zahawi to "forget about" or "mislay". Image result for Pic Nadhim Zahawi. Size: 174 x 185. Source: www.standard.co.uk

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How unpopular is JW org with the American Public ?

by Phizzy in

barb.

anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down j.w org is !.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=iwar0-i-ju-nmskoh2yvbnfacipc_vptwmjzrsjn58if3jxicq41vv2ke0lu0.

Phizzy

Barb. Anderson posted this link,on face book, see how far down J.W org is !

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/12/23/americans-views-religious-groups-yougov-poll?fbclid=IwAR0-I-jU-NmskOh2YVbNfaCiPC_vPTwMjZrsjn58if3JxiCQ41Vv2kE0LU0

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The "Time of the End"

by Rivergang in

for those who still hold to the belief that the last 109 years have been part of "the time of the end", consider this: .

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive.

it would have been quite understandable if those alive during the middle of the 6th century ad believed the "end was nigh.".

Phizzy

I remember giving a Public Talk where in my intro I read a lot of quotes from over those Centuries about being in the Time of the End, the audience nodded along, thinking they were talking about our day, I then revealed when they were from, the latest one had been from the 1700's !

I guess I then had to talk about how we knew we really were in the last days now, I cannot remember the content, but I was not awake then, so probably I gave out a load of shite.

I wonder how long they can keep flogging this dead horse of "any day now" ? It reminds me of the centuries when the Jews used to say the mantra "Next year, in Jerusalem", mind you, that came true for some in 1948 , the J.W thing never will come true !

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Two Powers in Heaven

by peacefulpete in

while this topic might at first seem to come from left field, it has arisen in my mind when reading a number of recent threads.

this topic in full requires many hours of research to fully assimilate but i'm now only introducing the topic and encouraging further reading.

in short, by the end of the common era judaism included various heavenly figures that took on roles that, for all practical purposes, were those of god.

Phizzy

Interesting ! I have a feeling this will change a lot of what I have thought up until now, I have some reading to do !