if a publisher openly told the elders that they thought the gb were wrong about some or a lot of things, but said they will not share these thoughts with anyone else then would this be a case of disassociation disgfellowship?.
my guess is lots of elders meetings and shepherding calls to try to get you to say something they could use against you.. but what would be the sin in which you are not repented?.
the only reason to be dissed is non repentance?.
I was repeatedly asked the "Loyalty" question, the Elders were not concerned with discussing my Bible based differences with J.W doctrine. If you say you do not agree with the GB's teaching they will DF you, if you discuss your reasonings with someone else, they will DF you, Cofty was DF'd for that very thing, just showing a letter he had written to H.Q to another person !
Be very careful, unless you don't mind being DF'd.
the bible says, that those who say 'there is no god' are fools.. april fools day yesterday, showed that people can be fools for believing something that did not happen.
yet, the bible says that fools are those who refuse to believe that which is true.. god can still save fools.... feel free to watch the latest short message of hope:.
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Reading the verses in two Psalms that believers love to quote to us non-Theists, but reading them in the context of each Psalm, 10 and 14, it is clear that the Writer (s) of these Psalms are not talking of non-theists, but of people who ignore god's righteous ways.
Such "fools" are on the Broad Road to Hell according to many preachers. Fair enough.
in 1989 the watchtower society published a 32-page booklet entitled "should you believe in the trinity?
" the aim of this publication was to discredit the christian doctrine of the triune nature of god.
the method that the society used to accomplish this goal was to quote from a plethora of resources, both secular and religious, such as dictionaries, encyclopedias, books and historical literature written by individual authors.
" This is completely blatant and deliberate dishonesty." That is being polite !
This helped me in my waking up process, I had never heard of "quote mining" but I was interested in the Trinity Doctrine and how people could believe it, and looked up the source of one of those quotes in the brochure, I forget now which one exactly, but if you read just two paragraphs more in the quote you could see the writer was saying the OPPOSITE of what the bit the Org. quoted seemed to say !
They are fuc**ng liars ! But realising that made me really begin to question deeply, nobody who is teaching Truth needs to lie about it !
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
The R&F do not know about this, as earlier Posts in this Thread have shown.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
Whether the truth will ever come out, who knows ? But the WAY they did it speaks of something seriously embarrassing for the org. I would think with Legal ramifications too, as a possibility.
I simply cannot think it is the minor stuff being suggested by some, the curt announcement was hint enough, they were immediately distancing themselves, as a Body, from the now Pariah Morris.
all elders just got letters about this new blood card system .
“language-coordinating congregations will receive separate parcel(s) containing the revised durable power of attorney for health care (dpa-e) for all congregation(s) in their literature group.“.
my questions are - why the revision and what has been revised?.
I am not an expert in U.K law, but I don't think this card will be recognised in law as a Power of Attorney, it may, probably does, in the USA.
Do the very parochial and closeted GB realise this ?
hi rwc,.
i'm sure you're a very nice person and i don't want to get into an argument but rather a civil debate.
i just wanted to point out that as ex-jws many of us are a little obsessed with truth (not to be confused with "the truth" tm) and that after being burned by the watchtower society and hating ourselves for being so stupid to have fallen for its bs we have now become highly skeptical of the bible as well.
Thanks for Posting this Thread ! Some wonderful comments from " Liberty" , and all this stuff is still SO relevant, we still get exactly the same shite from believers, almost word for word.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
" I mean what high - control group would come to the realization that ''we're no different than any other high - control group'' or ''what if we are even a little bit wrong''.
The group as whole never will, but those are the questions that come to mind when you are in, add to Cognitive Dissonance, and as in my case, eventually lead to a proper examination and scrutiny of beliefs. Then an Exit, hopefully.
It is a mystery as to how the org. will play it in the near future, all this End Times stuff is already seen as bullshit by young JW's, but sadly they look no further, and carry on being "in" because ALL their friends are.
this is my first post.
i am a pimo who has been lurking for a while and i hope to make new friends here.. for now, i would just like to highlight that this year marks 200 years since john aquila brown wrote that crazy book(let) of speculations that charles taze russell practically copy/pasted into his "studies in the scriptures" which eventually affected all of our lives in one way or another.. cheers.
chevelle.
A warm welcome Chevelle ! I think the start of "belief" was at least before 9,000 BCE, the finds in Turkey show that "belief", and if you like "organised religion", was already strong enough by that time to build Temples etc.
John Aquila Brown was no doubt as guilty as William Miller in influencing C.T.Russell, an Adventist, to proceed with his own version, highly plagiarised, of predictions. Russell learned nothing from "The Great Disappointment" of 1844/5, and proceeded to make the same mistake as Miller at least twice, following in his footsteps Boozer Rutherford did the same thing with 1925, and Mad Freddie Franz with 1975. JW org are Serial Offenders in Committing the religious Crime of False Prophecy !
Looking forward to hearing more from your good self !
the jw org has removed certain verses from their nwt version, claiming usually that what is removed is not found in the oldest mss, that claim is fair enough, until you ask a simple question, this :.
" if you are going to remove interpolations from the bible, where do you stop?"..
the org.
I agree fully with the point made above that the NWT is not unique in this removal of verses not found in early MSS, and my question applies to all who do it,
I know of course the selection of the approved Canons of Scripture excluded a lot of whole Works and other bits no doubt, but working with what we have, as I said, where do you stop ? Why exclude just a few ? there are hundred of interpolations from beginning to end, Gen. to Rev.
I think they should be included, but marked off in some way, with an explanation.
