new post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html.
i agree that in the russell and rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation.
fine!
It depends upon whether the guy's Prison Sentence was for something pertinent to the Paper you quote, otherwise I agree with your mum's judgement, you don't wish to be appearing to be making a pointless ad hominem attack upon him.
In the cases of Russell and Rutherford, truthful reporting of their shortcomings, misdemeanours and in Rutherford's case, crimes, is very relevant and important to write about.
following on from the rebekah vardy tv programme last week, dr heather ransom's story is in the daily mail.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12097861/my-family-friends-rejected-fled-jehovahs-witnesses.html.
So many lies from the Org. in this Article ! Here is the first : " The Jehovah's Witnesses told Channel 4 that elders are directed to immediately report an allegation of child sexual abuse " , a blatant lie, Elders are told first off to call the Legal Dept. at Bethel, this causes unnecessary delay, and may give time for the perpetrator to cover his tracks and intimidate the victim etc. This is still the instruction in the very latest edition of the Elder's Manual.
Next they smear Rebekah Vardy by saying she was never a J.W, I guess she was never baptized, but they make it sound that her whole story is not credible. THE UTTER LYING BASTARDS !
And of course they do their usual whitewashing of how terrible and murderous the Shunning is.
I AM ANGRY !
i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
"The fact that we do not the autographs or original manuscripts is of little consequence for the evidence presented by the NWT Committee since 1950 proves that the Divine name was present in those original manuscripts."
There are no MSS of the N.T with the divine name in that are even close to the first Century.
i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
The reasons given in the Appendix have a little to recommend them, but are somewhat disingenuous even so. Of more importance is the claim to respect evidence from the MSS. which is their reason for not including certain verses, i.e the Pericope de Adultera in the Gospel of John.
But they have NO N.T MSS. that contain the divine name in the places they insert it, therefore their claim as to sticking to the witness of the earliest MSS is a falsehood.
summary.
the subject of the `wagatha christie" trial investigates the inner workings of the jehovah's witnesses.
having grown up within the faith, she explains how the religion failed to support her through sexual abuse and shunned her as a child.
I agree with Cofty, Ali Millar is a wonderful author, her Book though autobiographical is as easy to read as a Novel, and quite difficult to put down ! in places her prose is just beautiful, almost poetic.
Another ex-JW writer of stature is Jodie Chapman , her two Books so far are Novels, but draw heavily on her struggles with life as a J.W. The first Book "Another Life" is a great insight on the power of Love, but shows how Religion can spoil your life, so that you lose your real love perhaps. Her new Novel " Oh Sister" awaits my attention.
we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.
they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?
) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.
I agree entirely with Simon's O.P. and applaud him removing "preachy" stuff. For me it is pointless anyway, I am a non-theist, but I have made a very long and deep study of the Bible, and I know what it is, and is not.
The Bible is a collection of Writings by men, for men, from a few Centuries BCE up until the early 2nd Century C.E. It has been redacted and edited and generally played around with.
The Bible has been totally discredited as an Authority upon anything, so firing scriptures at people who know the above, is just really silly.
does anyone know "pete" personally, or have a way of contacting him ?
he has not posted for about a month now.
i just want to know he is o.k..
Does anyone know "Pete" personally, or have a way of contacting him ? He has not posted for about a month now. I just want to know he is O.K.
i find it extremely amusing how each year is passing without armageddon.
"for the year 2000, i visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise!
but i don't think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day.. we are living in the last days of the system of things.
When I first came to the understanding that all the End Time prophecies, including Armageddon, were supposed to have been fulfilled shortly after the time the Bible Writers wrote their nonsense, I wondered how long the Org. could keep the "it is sooooo close" tripe going, but they now alternate between calling for patience, and elsewhere still imply The End is near !
Poor deluded fools, there is no Armageddon to come, no End Times to come, ALL THOSE PROPHECIES FAILED !!!
the so called apostates of first century later became the catholic church.
these apostates like saint athanasius, theologian, ecclesiastical statesman, and egyptian national leader decided which books would be part of the bible.
we are now following what they decided.
"Has anyone done research on canonization of the Bible? Would love to know more."
Our very own "Doug Mason" on here wrote an excellent Paper on exactly that, if you search his Threads you will find it. Doug's research, conclusions and links etc are second to none, he specifically asks the pertinent questions of J.W org . on this matter.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
Smiddy 3, you are spot on, J.W's love to gossip, so we will have to carefully sort through all the stories that will come out, but in a situation where so many know, it is bound to come out, we hope from a verifiable source.
But like everyone, I am intrigued as to what it was that did for the old boy !
