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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

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  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  Phizzy

  " Of course people often view all Christians through the lens of Evangelical Christianity. "

  This is sad, because as has been pointed out, even in the USA, Loony Evangelicals are a minority, and I imagine there are many Church communities like yours Jan, over the Pond.

  Locally near me in the U.K there are some vibrant Churches with wonderful, loving communities of members, which some may confuse with the more extreme types of Church, but they are not, they don't even pressure preach when you display lots of interest, it is all very loving.
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  Do you agree with this?

  by vienne in

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  2. beliefs

  new post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html.

  i agree that in the russell and rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation.

  fine!

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  Phizzy

  It depends upon whether the guy's Prison Sentence was for something pertinent to the Paper you quote, otherwise I agree with your mum's judgement, you don't wish to be appearing to be making a pointless ad hominem attack upon him.

  In the cases of Russell and Rutherford, truthful reporting of their shortcomings, misdemeanours and in Rutherford's case, crimes, is very relevant and important to write about.
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  Dr Heather Ransom's Story in the Daily Mail newspaper

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  following on from the rebekah vardy tv programme last week, dr heather ransom's story is in the daily mail.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12097861/my-family-friends-rejected-fled-jehovahs-witnesses.html.

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  Phizzy

  So many lies from the Org. in this Article ! Here is the first : " The Jehovah's Witnesses told Channel 4 that elders are directed to immediately report an allegation of child sexual abuse " , a blatant lie, Elders are told first off to call the Legal Dept. at Bethel, this causes unnecessary delay, and may give time for the perpetrator to cover his tracks and intimidate the victim etc. This is still the instruction in the very latest edition of the Elder's Manual.

  Next they smear Rebekah Vardy by saying she was never a J.W, I guess she was never baptized, but they make it sound that her whole story is not credible. THE UTTER LYING BASTARDS !

  And of course they do their usual whitewashing of how terrible and murderous the Shunning is.

  I AM ANGRY !
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  "Jehovah" In The New Testament.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.

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  Phizzy

  "The fact that we do not the autographs or original manuscripts is of little consequence for the evidence presented by the NWT Committee since 1950 proves that the Divine name was present in those original manuscripts."

  There are no MSS of the N.T with the divine name in that are even close to the first Century.
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  "Jehovah" In The New Testament.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.

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  Phizzy

  The reasons given in the Appendix have a little to recommend them, but are somewhat disingenuous even so. Of more importance is the claim to respect evidence from the MSS. which is their reason for not including certain verses, i.e the Pericope de Adultera in the Gospel of John.

  But they have NO N.T MSS. that contain the divine name in the places they insert it, therefore their claim as to sticking to the witness of the earliest MSS is a falsehood.
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  Rebekah Vardy--UK channel 4 : Tuesday 16th 10.00pm.

  by stan livedeath in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  summary.

  the subject of the `wagatha christie" trial investigates the inner workings of the jehovah's witnesses.

  having grown up within the faith, she explains how the religion failed to support her through sexual abuse and shunned her as a child.

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  Phizzy

  I agree with Cofty, Ali Millar is a wonderful author, her Book though autobiographical is as easy to read as a Novel, and quite difficult to put down ! in places her prose is just beautiful, almost poetic.

  Another ex-JW writer of stature is Jodie Chapman , her two Books so far are Novels, but draw heavily on her struggles with life as a J.W. The first Book "Another Life" is a great insight on the power of Love, but shows how Religion can spoil your life, so that you lose your real love perhaps. Her new Novel " Oh Sister" awaits my attention.
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  Phizzy

  I agree entirely with Simon's O.P. and applaud him removing "preachy" stuff. For me it is pointless anyway, I am a non-theist, but I have made a very long and deep study of the Bible, and I know what it is, and is not.

  The Bible is a collection of Writings by men, for men, from a few Centuries BCE up until the early 2nd Century C.E. It has been redacted and edited and generally played around with.

  The Bible has been totally discredited as an Authority upon anything, so firing scriptures at people who know the above, is just really silly.
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  I'm worried about Peaceful Pete

  by Phizzy in

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  2. friends

  does anyone know "pete" personally, or have a way of contacting him ?

  he has not posted for about a month now.

  i just want to know he is o.k..

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  Phizzy

  Does anyone know "Pete" personally, or have a way of contacting him ? He has not posted for about a month now. I just want to know he is O.K.
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  It is now 2003.... Where is Armageddon?

  by Nosferatu in

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  2. friends

  i find it extremely amusing how each year is passing without armageddon.

  "for the year 2000, i visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise!

  but i don't think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day.. we are living in the last days of the system of things.

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  Phizzy

  When I first came to the understanding that all the End Time prophecies, including Armageddon, were supposed to have been fulfilled shortly after the time the Bible Writers wrote their nonsense, I wondered how long the Org. could keep the "it is sooooo close" tripe going, but they now alternate between calling for patience, and elsewhere still imply The End is near !

  Poor deluded fools, there is no Armageddon to come, no End Times to come, ALL THOSE PROPHECIES FAILED !!!
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  "Apostasy"

  by Zilgee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the so called apostates of first century later became the catholic church.

  these apostates like saint athanasius, theologian, ecclesiastical statesman, and egyptian national leader decided which books would be part of the bible.

  we are now following what they decided.

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  Phizzy

  "Has anyone done research on canonization of the Bible? Would love to know more."

  Our very own "Doug Mason" on here wrote an excellent Paper on exactly that, if you search his Threads you will find it. Doug's research, conclusions and links etc are second to none, he specifically asks the pertinent questions of J.W org . on this matter.