Posts by Phizzy

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At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

is he or she an apostate to the faith?

Phizzy

The point at which one becomes an Apostate is when the Elders decide it is so. From the org's point of view.

When two Elders were trying to trap me they repeated the "Loyalty Question " three times in our conversation, put in three different ways, but basically it was did I believe the G.B were god's chosen channel or whatever, I dodged that bullet three times.

But if I had told them my thoughts I would have been DF'd for Apostasy I am sure. And yet they knew nothing of the Doctrines I rejected, and wouldn't have asked.

Beware of Elders bearing gifts, well, pretending to "Shepherd" you !

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Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

by SydBarrett in

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the twickenham post made me think of this.

i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

Phizzy

I always ended up feeling gloomy and depressed, and a numb bum coupled with gasping for a Beer didn't help.

The only one that wasn't so much of a problem was Norwich, they parked us away from the Stadium and you had to walk along the canal to the Car Park............ past a lovely Pub. The guys who had really got it sorted had a barge on the canal to stay in, next to the pub !

Vicarious Liability

by Phizzy in

this is of interest to those who want to see what the law at present is:.

https://www.cbp.com.au/.../testing-vicarious-liability....

Phizzy

This is of interest to those who want to see what the Law at present is:

https://www.cbp.com.au/.../testing-vicarious-liability...

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J.W org and Noah's Flood

by Phizzy in

i remember when i was "in" the org.

had a ridiculous public talk outline defending the genesis flood myth.. do they have a current one doing that ?.

Phizzy

I remember when I was "in" the org. had a ridiculous Public Talk Outline defending the Genesis Flood Myth.

Do they have a current one doing that ?

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Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?

by Chevelle in

i'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.

raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.

hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).

Phizzy

Does the Governing Body know it is ALL bullshit ? is a more pertinent question.

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Only one weekly meeting?

by mikeflood in

new wt october 2023....first an article remembering 1923....they make changes, the had a "prayer, praise and testimony weekly meeting".. after an study article about obey, specially paragraph 18.. i have a wild guess, next year, just one weekly meeting for the borg..

Phizzy

You could be right Mikey ! and eventually do away with all K.H's , sell them off, make a fortune and go entirely on-line in a few years ?

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Is Disfellowshipping properly legislated?

by Rattigan350 in

in the insight book under expelling, it refers to 1 cor 5 and titus 3 and 2 thess 3 as the basis for disfellowshipping.they've often said that the governing body was stated in acts 15 of the apostles and older men.

however, why was there no decree or letter issued by the governing body or apostles and older men and sent out to the congregations, detailing the principles of disfellowshipping?

it is all paul.

Phizzy

" Letter was only to Corinthians not all Christians."

Exactly !!! when Paul wrote to the Corinthians, only a few groups of his followers existed, the so-called "Governing Body", which it wasn't, no such thing existed in the 1st Century, but the Elders in the Jerusalem church were probably unaware of these Epistles for years.

The Org. also use verses from the Letters of John, for the D.F policy, but take these out of Context, those verses are talking of Christians who deny that the pre-existent Jesus came in the flesh, the Writer calls them for this reason "the Antichrist".

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Is WT Using ATTENDANTS At The Conventions To Be: "TOY COPS"

by HiddlesWife in

i have heard from a few ppimis and several pimos that the attendants who are stationedly-assigned to the front entrances of the borgvenues (cahs and other arenas) have been checking to see if any persons (members and non-member visitors) have badges.

on the other hand, if these persons don't have one, this is what i was told that these dubs do this: corral around the non-badge-wearing individual and interrogate he/she/them plus questioning them, "why are you here?!".

also, even if that person or persons have an invitation plus showed it to these dubs, these toy cops still do that procedure.

Phizzy

I wonder if these measures. along with all the hassle of going, plus it being bum-numbing and SO boring, attendance will drop even more ?

When I was still in, but wavering and waking up, we blew out the big Convention, nobody realised we were not there, so we never attended another Convention of any sort, and left about two years later for good.

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Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

https://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.

the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.

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Phizzy

"we all know that assemblies are an endurance test even for younger healthy people;"

Yup, bum numbing and SO boring ! I remember as Elder had to do an item on the Service Meeting about all we had learned at the Convention, he had to go and visit my sister and borrow the copious notes she used to take, because he couldn't remember a thing !

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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

Phizzy

" and the current j .w's defend these out of date doctrines so aggressively!!🤷‍♂️"

But, they cannot do so EFFECTIVELY to the Public, that is another change from the days when I was young, we all used to have the ability to go toe to toe with anyone over Doctrine, I had several long discussions with Pastors/Vicars and on one occasion a Bishop ! I "sold" him the magazines, we charged for 'em then, he asked " How much will you charge me for these?" and I replied, giving a figure, and said " I will let you have them at Trade price !" LOL I didn't convince any of them, and in fact they put seeds of doubt in my mind !

Now it is all "Go to our Website", where again no success will come from, it screams "Cult", and does not give answers that any thinking person would accept, and would surely see through.