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  John 8:1-11

  by TxNVSue2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this passage of scripture is not on my jw bible app ( the study edition or nwt).

  does anyone know why it was taken out?..

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  Phizzy

  The problem with this argument, about it not being in the earliest MSS, is that if you start taking out later additions and interpolations to the Gospel of John, where do you stop ?

  I do wonder if the Org's motive is not purity or accuracy, but the same as that of those in the early Church who objected to the Pericope, because it challenged their misogynistic and paternalistic attitude to women, and their legalistic preferences. *

  Scholars have highlighted many such changes as above, including the position of some verses as we now have them, and of course, the well known later addition by another hand, of Chapter 21, why do the Org. include that ?

  The Gospel of John is somewhat of a mess, and should be looked upon as an uncompleted work in progress.

  * That is the reason I rather like the story !
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  Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

  if this is true then how long should it take?

  as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

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  Phizzy

  The Last Days in all the Bible predictions were supposed to have happened shortly after the time of Writing, those predictions ALL failed !

  We cannot expect other features of failed prophecies to be fulfilled now or later.
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  Growing up as a child in Closed High-Demand Groups

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  2. family

  i came across this fascinating article and thought it was worth sharing it with you.

  i grew up in that religion so a lot of it struck a chord with me.. https://www.spiritualabuseresources.com/articles/born-or-raised-in-closed-high-demand-groups-developmental-considerations.

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  Phizzy

  You may have to e-mail them ?

  [email protected]
  
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  Do You Think Trump Is Done?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

  some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

  is trump’s goose cooked?

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  Phizzy

  Trump is done. Even loony Republicans will not select a convicted Traitor.
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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Phizzy

  My father always thought it disgusting and wrong that they were virtually worshipped by some, so did I ! I remember Knorr coming to London when I was a young kid, and giving a Talk, a bit of an unscheduled one IIRC, and there was overly long applause when he took to the Platform, before he spoke one word ! Father did not clap AT ALL !

  What my father thought in later years, with the Direct Worship of the G.B, he never said, but as person he never changed his mind more than once or twice in his life, about anything.
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  New Blog - Divorce has been filed from JW husband!

  by madisoncembre in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the divorce from the jw husband has been filed (finally!).

  here are my musings on the subject in short form:.

  still feel a bit sad about the entire thing.

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  Phizzy

  Well done Madison ! may you find happiness and fulfillment in your future life ! I hope the Divorce process goes as smoothly as possible. And I know it will be so difficult for your girls, but they have a wonderful mother's love to see them through.
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  England: Failure to Report Child Abuse to be Illegal

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  people who work with children in england will be legally required to report child sexual abuse or face prosecution under government plans.. .

  the move - which is subject to a consultation - was recommended last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa).. .

  the home secretary told the bbc she wanted to correct one of the "biggest national scandals".. .

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  Phizzy

  I do hope that the JW org does not hide behind their previous disingenuous and poor excuse that they don't actually work with children and that it is the parents responsibility to protect their own children.

  (I hope the Law is tight enough to cover such pathetic excuses.)

  What utter tripe that excuse is ! The number of CSA cases over many decades show that they have a problem with not implementing a proper Child Protection Programme. Not just a bit of paper, a "policy", an actual Programme.

  Small local Clubs near me, Sporting etc., like Clay Pigeon Shooting, and Football etc. ALL have a proper active Programme with an Appointed Child Protection officer, and STRICT rules about proper "chaperoning" if the C.P. person is not present, a parent or a guardian appointed by the parents must then be present.

  If small clubs, with less than 50 members can do this, WHY CAN'T the J.W ORG ???
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  To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

  they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

  ) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

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  Phizzy

  Just to get back on to the Thread's O.P, I wish to thank Simon for Posting his ongoing actions to stop religious nuts cluttering up this Site. They can find somewhere else to preach.

  Of course intelligent discussion of individual Texts and how the J.W interpretation, or often, usage of them is wrong, are helpful to J.W's who visit, and those who are just leaving. That I presume is still welcome.

  But thanks again Simon, and for your work in keeping this place going ! I hope you earn a Shekel or two from the Advertising, at present some rather pretty girls in underwear are vying for my attention, in an Ad on the right, very welcome !
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Phizzy

  You have not read my Post just before this have you ? Lazy Boy !
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Phizzy

  Where it is important is where it exposes all the ways they have to DF you, there are more pages on that than any on actual Shepherding ! And where it plainly shows they STILL give wrong direction in cases of CSA and other abuse, violence etc. still saying 'phone Legal first !

  The appropriate Authorities, trained and qualified to handle such things, Morally should be contacted straight away, even if there is only a rumour, especially of CSA.

  ANY delay allows the Perp. time to put pressure on the Victim (s) and any witnesses, this HAS happened !