Posts by Phizzy

The problem with this argument, about it not being in the earliest MSS, is that if you start taking out later additions and interpolations to the Gospel of John, where do you stop ?

I do wonder if the Org's motive is not purity or accuracy, but the same as that of those in the early Church who objected to the Pericope, because it challenged their misogynistic and paternalistic attitude to women, and their legalistic preferences. *

Scholars have highlighted many such changes as above, including the position of some verses as we now have them, and of course, the well known later addition by another hand, of Chapter 21, why do the Org. include that ?

The Gospel of John is somewhat of a mess, and should be looked upon as an uncompleted work in progress.

* That is the reason I rather like the story !

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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?

by Fisherman in

are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.

Phizzy

The Last Days in all the Bible predictions were supposed to have happened shortly after the time of Writing, those predictions ALL failed !

We cannot expect other features of failed prophecies to be fulfilled now or later.

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Growing up as a child in Closed High-Demand Groups

by LostintheFog1999 in

i came across this fascinating article and thought it was worth sharing it with you.

i grew up in that religion so a lot of it struck a chord with me.. https://www.spiritualabuseresources.com/articles/born-or-raised-in-closed-high-demand-groups-developmental-considerations.

Phizzy

You may have to e-mail them ?

[email protected]

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Do You Think Trump Is Done?

by minimus in

jw
friends

certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

is trump’s goose cooked?

Phizzy

Trump is done. Even loony Republicans will not select a convicted Traitor.

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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

Phizzy

My father always thought it disgusting and wrong that they were virtually worshipped by some, so did I ! I remember Knorr coming to London when I was a young kid, and giving a Talk, a bit of an unscheduled one IIRC, and there was overly long applause when he took to the Platform, before he spoke one word ! Father did not clap AT ALL !

What my father thought in later years, with the Direct Worship of the G.B, he never said, but as person he never changed his mind more than once or twice in his life, about anything.

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New Blog - Divorce has been filed from JW husband!

by madisoncembre in

the divorce from the jw husband has been filed (finally!).

here are my musings on the subject in short form:.

still feel a bit sad about the entire thing.

Phizzy

Well done Madison ! may you find happiness and fulfillment in your future life ! I hope the Divorce process goes as smoothly as possible. And I know it will be so difficult for your girls, but they have a wonderful mother's love to see them through.

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England: Failure to Report Child Abuse to be Illegal

by notsurewheretogo in

people who work with children in england will be legally required to report child sexual abuse or face prosecution under government plans.. .

the move - which is subject to a consultation - was recommended last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa).. .

the home secretary told the bbc she wanted to correct one of the "biggest national scandals".. .

Phizzy

I do hope that the JW org does not hide behind their previous disingenuous and poor excuse that they don't actually work with children and that it is the parents responsibility to protect their own children.

(I hope the Law is tight enough to cover such pathetic excuses.)

What utter tripe that excuse is ! The number of CSA cases over many decades show that they have a problem with not implementing a proper Child Protection Programme. Not just a bit of paper, a "policy", an actual Programme.

Small local Clubs near me, Sporting etc., like Clay Pigeon Shooting, and Football etc. ALL have a proper active Programme with an Appointed Child Protection officer, and STRICT rules about proper "chaperoning" if the C.P. person is not present, a parent or a guardian appointed by the parents must then be present.

If small clubs, with less than 50 members can do this, WHY CAN'T the J.W ORG ???

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To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

by Simon in

we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

Phizzy

Just to get back on to the Thread's O.P, I wish to thank Simon for Posting his ongoing actions to stop religious nuts cluttering up this Site. They can find somewhere else to preach.

Of course intelligent discussion of individual Texts and how the J.W interpretation, or often, usage of them is wrong, are helpful to J.W's who visit, and those who are just leaving. That I presume is still welcome.

But thanks again Simon, and for your work in keeping this place going ! I hope you earn a Shekel or two from the Advertising, at present some rather pretty girls in underwear are vying for my attention, in an Ad on the right, very welcome !