Posts by Phizzy

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Holding a grudge

by LongHairGal in

i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.

people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.

meanwhile, i got judged over this.

Phizzy

Dearest Long Hair Gal,

I think holding a grudge against the Org. itself is a GOOD thing, at least for me, it motivates me to continue spending time in various places on-line to counter J.W nonsense they have posted, so that people can see the errors and often lies they post, and see them for what they are.

And I think that what the Org. itself has done to us, and is still doing to many, is UNFORGIVEABLE , why ? because they KNOW exactly what they are doing, Mind Controlling people for $$$, they KNOW they are telling Huge Lies, they KNOW the damage they do, even causing suicides, and they do not CARE ! as long as the $$$ keeps on rolling in.

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The true pronunciation of God's name....

by Kosonen in

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i found a very interesting video by a jewish biblical scholar about how to correctly pronounce jehovah.

it's not yahweh as other scholars claim.. https://youtu.be/4vgxmmbst8w?si=yq7ggwstkpnd3f18.

Phizzy

Truth is nobody knows, and never will, and I don't care !

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Re-activate me?

by punkofnice in

there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.

i guess to re-activate me.

once they said who they were i recognised them.

Phizzy

" someone might think i was still a JW. "

I would hate that for myself ! I simply would not wish to be associated with that lot in anyone's mind ! How EMBARRASSING !

Plus, if you ever attend a K.H for any other reason than a Funeral, the J.W's fondly imagine that deep down you still believe, and that relieves their Cognitive Dissonance, now, I wouldn't want to do that, it was the Cog. Diss, that grew stronger in me that made me wake up !

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Phizzy

This Thread has reminded me of the time a JW dad was trying to instil in his son the need to always tell the truth, so dad asked his son "Who told the first Lie ?", and his little son promptly replied "Rosie", referring to his little friend who had lied an hour or so before.

Dad gave up with the Lesson for the time being, he was laughing too much !

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Re-activate me?

by punkofnice in

there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.

i guess to re-activate me.

once they said who they were i recognised them.

Phizzy

I think the only way they could reactivate me is to enforce a Frontal Lobotomy !

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Re-activate me?

by punkofnice in

there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.

i guess to re-activate me.

once they said who they were i recognised them.

Phizzy

Great to hear from you Paul ! and good to hear you are looking after yourself with a healthy Diet ! LOL.

I wonder if your visit was a one off, or if perhaps as C.O's go round they are pushing Elders to do a tidying up ?

Two Elders at your door does not mean the ONLY reason they are there is to re-activate you !

If they could get someone they call on to say something they could condemn them for, they would do it like a shot, nice and tidy, Box Ticked.

I wish you all the best for the future, drop back in here from time to time, are you still playing ? either for yourself or maybe a Band ?

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August WT: DF'ing renamed "Removed." AKA: GB re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

by WingCommander in

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so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.

august watchtower has finally been leaked.

disfellowshipping?

Phizzy

It is purely motivated by $$$ this move, they hope to obfuscate what their Shunning and Disfellowshipping Policies and Practice REALLY are by re-labelling them for when they are challenged in Courts.

They used to get away with this in the Past, but now with quality Witnesses testifying under Oath about these egregious practices, the Courts will be able to easily see that those things deny basic Human Rights to J.W's and ex-J.W's. And no doubt contravene Rights under many national Laws.

With any move the Org. makes, always follow the $$$.

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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

by ukpimo in

big news.

just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

Phizzy

The "Devil" does not appear in the Eden Story, this Story was plagiarised from a Canaanite/Sumerian one, the Devil is not in their religious thinking.

"the satan" only came in to Israelite religious thought while the Exiles were in Babylon, and came from Zoroastrian ideas prevalent in Babylon, along with other new Spirits, such as Angels and Demons, and other new religious ideas.

Hence Judaism was born, a very different religion form that of the pre-Exile Israelites.

On the Thread subject, the J.W org have an almighty cheek in putting on the cover a Pic. of the "Prodigal Son", how does ANY of the J.W Practice of Shunning and DFing fit the lessons of that Parable ?

Massive Liars and Hypocrites all, the J.W Org.

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2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

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it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .

https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .

leopold.

Phizzy

Thank you Grandpa !

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Farmer Noah

by peacefulpete in

it has been occasionally mentioned on this forum how the flood stories (j,p) interrupt the flow of the narrative of j (conventional name for primary narrative source for the primeval history) and create plot holes.

note how the removal of the flood stories leaves an unbroken narrative:.

28 when lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son.

Phizzy

Thanks PP, it has long been obvious that Genesis is an Editorial mess, they had no concept of actually reading it as later Scholars would obviously, but you would have thought someone would have read it through and smoothed it out somewhat.

What you have pointed us to in the above Links is proof that at some time efforts were made to make the thing not so full of errors and contradictions in the Story. But, it is STILL a mess !

The not much later Greek Myths , though I have not read them with any other intention than enjoying the Stories, and that was many decades ago, but from memory, they do not seem to be as woefully contradictory and full of redactions and interpolations as Genesis and other Bible Works are.

What is satisfying is when we can identify Interpolations with zero doubt, but we have then quite often the problem of deciding when these changes were made, and then the added problem is what exactly the editors are trying to say ? what was in their minds ?

Regardless, I find this all fascinating stuff !