i had a visit from jws yesterday.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5993895939276800/there-some-sort-campaign-going-on.
the opening question was "do you think that the world is getting better or worse?".
They identify themselves as to who they are to those of us in the know by the old openers they use, they have no really new ones.
Plus the openers come across as weird, walking up to a stranger's front door, uninvited, and then asking one of those dumb questions, IS WEIRD ! and the general public as soon as they hear the "opener" think, "Oh Oh,Religious Nutter".
i read something recently on reddit (not sure what thread) where a person related how some jw told them that ‘they hold a grudge’.. this reminded me of something an old jw acquaintance said to me some years back when i related my bad experience in the religion.. so, apparently, jehovah’s witnesses feel they should be forgiven for anything.
people should forget all about it and act like nothing happened and be charitable towards them, etc… when i read in james and ephesians i got the sense ‘holding a grudge’ was referring to the things average people do to offend each other.. i don’t see it applying to a religion that claimed to speak for god and who engendered hateful and unchristian attitudes towards people.. i know because i experienced this.. in addition, some people’s lives were damaged by listening to faulty teachings and interference in things that were clearly none of anybody’s business.. one case in point: them knocking worldly careers and now there are thousands of destitute jws in senior years with nothing.. then in 2023 the religion does away with a century old teaching about counting hours in the ministry.
meanwhile, i got judged over this.
Dearest Long Hair Gal,
I think holding a grudge against the Org. itself is a GOOD thing, at least for me, it motivates me to continue spending time in various places on-line to counter J.W nonsense they have posted, so that people can see the errors and often lies they post, and see them for what they are.
And I think that what the Org. itself has done to us, and is still doing to many, is UNFORGIVEABLE , why ? because they KNOW exactly what they are doing, Mind Controlling people for $$$, they KNOW they are telling Huge Lies, they KNOW the damage they do, even causing suicides, and they do not CARE ! as long as the $$$ keeps on rolling in.
i found a very interesting video by a jewish biblical scholar about how to correctly pronounce jehovah.
it's not yahweh as other scholars claim.. https://youtu.be/4vgxmmbst8w?si=yq7ggwstkpnd3f18.
Truth is nobody knows, and never will, and I don't care !
there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.
i guess to re-activate me.
once they said who they were i recognised them.
" someone might think i was still a JW. "
I would hate that for myself ! I simply would not wish to be associated with that lot in anyone's mind ! How EMBARRASSING !
Plus, if you ever attend a K.H for any other reason than a Funeral, the J.W's fondly imagine that deep down you still believe, and that relieves their Cognitive Dissonance, now, I wouldn't want to do that, it was the Cog. Diss, that grew stronger in me that made me wake up !
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
This Thread has reminded me of the time a JW dad was trying to instil in his son the need to always tell the truth, so dad asked his son "Who told the first Lie ?", and his little son promptly replied "Rosie", referring to his little friend who had lied an hour or so before.
Dad gave up with the Lesson for the time being, he was laughing too much !
there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.
i guess to re-activate me.
once they said who they were i recognised them.
I think the only way they could reactivate me is to enforce a Frontal Lobotomy !
there was a knock at my door and i thought it was my take-away being delivered.. long story short, it was 2 elders calling to see me.
i guess to re-activate me.
once they said who they were i recognised them.
Great to hear from you Paul ! and good to hear you are looking after yourself with a healthy Diet ! LOL.
I wonder if your visit was a one off, or if perhaps as C.O's go round they are pushing Elders to do a tidying up ?
Two Elders at your door does not mean the ONLY reason they are there is to re-activate you !
If they could get someone they call on to say something they could condemn them for, they would do it like a shot, nice and tidy, Box Ticked.
I wish you all the best for the future, drop back in here from time to time, are you still playing ? either for yourself or maybe a Band ?
so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.
august watchtower has finally been leaked.
disfellowshipping?
It is purely motivated by $$$ this move, they hope to obfuscate what their Shunning and Disfellowshipping Policies and Practice REALLY are by re-labelling them for when they are challenged in Courts.
They used to get away with this in the Past, but now with quality Witnesses testifying under Oath about these egregious practices, the Courts will be able to easily see that those things deny basic Human Rights to J.W's and ex-J.W's. And no doubt contravene Rights under many national Laws.
With any move the Org. makes, always follow the $$$.
big news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
The "Devil" does not appear in the Eden Story, this Story was plagiarised from a Canaanite/Sumerian one, the Devil is not in their religious thinking.
"the satan" only came in to Israelite religious thought while the Exiles were in Babylon, and came from Zoroastrian ideas prevalent in Babylon, along with other new Spirits, such as Angels and Demons, and other new religious ideas.
Hence Judaism was born, a very different religion form that of the pre-Exile Israelites.
On the Thread subject, the J.W org have an almighty cheek in putting on the cover a Pic. of the "Prodigal Son", how does ANY of the J.W Practice of Shunning and DFing fit the lessons of that Parable ?
Massive Liars and Hypocrites all, the J.W Org.
it was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .
https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .
leopold.
Thank you Grandpa !
