Posts by Phizzy

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Telling People You Used To Be A JW

by JW_Rogue in

since i faded i've told a few people at work about having been raised in this organization but i found that most people don't really get what it is like at all.

they just focus on not celebrating holidays as if that is the worst thing about growing up jw.

i didn't explain much because it's too much for most people to handle.

Phizzy

I never liked admitting I was a J.W from a very early age, despite being in the org. until my late fifties. Looking back it was the first sign of a growing Cognitive Dissonance.

I still avoid it, why mention it ? Why ? Of course I recognise there are the odd occasions where it is useful and informative for a person to be informed.

But as many have pointed out on this Thread, the general Public just do not, and cannot, get what it meant to experience the harm done to you by such a weird upbringing and life.

What I find gratifying is that now when I do reveal it, people are amazed and say "What ? YOU ?? ", which means I guess that I have managed to expunge every J.W influence on my personality and character, at least I hope so !

We can never forget the experience, but we can get rid of every baleful influence the J.W org. had upon us, and become Normal, Happy People !

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JWs in the news: "Must the Norwegian state protect the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses?" CNE news.

by Balaamsass2 in

must the norwegian state protect the children of jehovah’s witnesses?.

21-02-2025. northern europe.

evert van vlastuin, cne.news.

Phizzy

van Vlastuin in this article suggests the State is in this case trying to protect children from fear alone, it is not, the Human Rights of children, and adults of course, involve the Right to Family Life, and the Right to Freedom of Conscience, ( or belief ) both of these Human Rights are transgressed by the J.W 's Disfellowshipping and or Shunning Practices.

The case the Norwegian State has is to my mind Cast Iron.

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When JW's say they are 'In the truth'...

by Ron.W. in

where did this phrase 'in the truth' come from?.

it's been around as long as i can remember.

is it from the time they were promoting 'the truth shall make you free' book back in 1943?

Phizzy

"Present truth" has also been misused, as though Truth changes with time ! Truth is only that which has Irrefutable Evidence, and does NOT change !

To say they are "In the Truth", as J.W's do, is the ultimate Irony ! There is no Truth in their teachings !

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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?

by Phizzy in

if you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.

the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.

(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..

Phizzy

I do hope it is accepted, and that the Independent Body is really completely that, as "self-policing" of any kind is not something that works.

Acceptance will lead the way for other responsible, caring, Organisations to follow, not that the J.W. org. will ever be in that category !

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JW Lawyer in Norway uses "theocratic warfare" to conceal the org's controlling language!

by BoogerMan in

in the org's vocabulary, the term "independent thinking" is applied pejoratively to any jw who thinks & reasons for themselves.

the org's lawyer knew exactly what he was doing in court when he voiced his carefully prepared words:.

"watchtowers lawyer anders ryssdal compares jehovah’s witnesses’ baptism to the norwegian state church’s confirmation of 15-year-olds, arguing that their baptism is no different.

Phizzy

From the avoidjw Article above :

" He dismissed the accusations of negative social control, coercion, and children’s rights violations as being based on “meager evidence from hostile witnesses.” He claimed the state’s actions were an unjust attack on the religious freedom of all 12,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses in Norway." (<Lies !)

" Ryssdal suggested that the personal biases of former members may have influenced their accounts. He employs a version of DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim, and Offender), a common manipulation tactic in which the victim is portrayed as the aggressor. "

" Ryssdal asserts that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not violate children’s rights and repeats that they do not engage in negative social control." ANOTHER Blatant Lie !

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The Akedah

by peacefulpete in

the genesis 22 episode, often referred to as the akedah (aqueda) ie "the binding" is a topic worthy a masterclass in textual and theological development.

a comprehensive discussion regarding this development would involve volumes and still leave much to be uncertain.

in short, the internal contradictions the narrative offers as it appears in genesis have inspired millennia of interpretive expansions and elaborations.

Phizzy

Thanks for the Book recommendation P.P. I will get round to reading it in a while, but at present I am busy sorting out a trip to Ireland in a couple of weeks time, plus I am writing a Novel, and need to add a few Chapters before presenting basically half a Novel to my Mentor, a dear friend who I call my adopted Grandson, a Writer and Film Director, so his advice will be invaluable.

i hope his advice does not come down to "Give up the idea of Writing a Novel, and take up Tiddly-Winks !"

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Did you have a written schedule?

by karter in

jw
friends

the wts encouraged us to have one, i alway found it funny when people would desplay it where everyone could see it to show how busy they are in the lords work.. karter..

Phizzy

I never did, I knew I would not stick to it, like my To Do List !

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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?

by Phizzy in

if you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.

the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.

(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..

Phizzy

Earnest when I said " I bet they apply to C of E Churches wherever they are." I meant anywhere in the World, not sure even if I'm right on that of course.

from the BBC site again, about the Vote

"On Tuesday the Synod, the Church of England's governing body, voted overwhelmingly for a less independent option which will see the creation of an independent central safeguarding team, but with local diocesan and cathedral safeguarding officers remaining with their current church employers.

Dr Grenfell told the BBC: "On the one hand I'm really disappointed, as were many, that Synod missed the opportunity to send an unequivocal message to victims and survivors and the wider nation that we hear their pain and concerns.

"On the other hand, what we did vote to get on with, an independent scrutiny body, is actually quite a big step forward in itself.

"But we need to do that further work around operational independence, and I'm really committed to doing that."

The Synod had been expected to vote on the fully-independent model proposed by Prof Alexis Jay, who previously chaired the national Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, and barrister Sarah Wilkinson.

But following an amendment, the Prof Jay-backed model was not voted on at all, and an alternative was adopted."

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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?

by Phizzy in

if you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.

the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.

(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..

Phizzy

We have all noted the obvious, but unexplainable reluctance of the Org. to adopt any measures that would actually work, we can all give good ideas as to why, and are probably right.

In view of that reluctance, I don't see them adopting any measures until forced to by Law, and then they will not be adopted Organisation wide, but piecemeal, Country by Country. The CofE as Jan says above, have adopted a good number of measures, and I bet they apply to C of E Churches wherever they are. They are debating the idea of an Independent Body to assess their efforts.

The VERY LAST thing the Org. will want, or will adopt, will be using such an Independent Body, and again will only do so if required by Law.

They really are a disgusting lot, no love, concern or action to protect the Vulnerable, every protection for Paedophiles and other Abusers !

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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?

by Phizzy in

if you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.

the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.

(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..

Phizzy

If you substitute J.W Org for C of E this really hits home : (From BBC news Site) :

The Church of England risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said. (Prof. Alexis Jay).

"I think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and I do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the BBC.