Posts by Phizzy

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Ebion

by peacefulpete in

early christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.

one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.

we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.

Phizzy

Touchofgrey, in a minute i will private message you !

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Ebion

by peacefulpete in

early christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.

one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.

we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.

I am now wondering what were the beliefs of a small group back in the 19th Century, I assume, near where I live, here in Kent U.K, they erected a small Chapel, called The Ebionite Chapel. I will try to find out !

It is now, like multiple former Chapels in the U.K, a private home.

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What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

Phizzy

The most blatant self-authenticating claim, and the one that is so starkly utter nonsense, with zero support from Scripture and even common sense, is that they were appointed in 1919 as "the faithful and discreet Slave".

And hence that claim to Authority and some sort of "Hot Line to Heaven" can be claimed by today's Governing Body.

The 1919 claim relies on the long debunked 1914 nonsense, and upon claiming that Jesus chose them on the basis of what they were teaching circa 1919. As Raymond Franz said in one of his Books, that claim is " an Insult to Jesus".

A common sense reading of the Parable that the FDS comes from makes it plain it is ONLY a Parable, a Teaching Aid, a Story, and not a prophecy of any kind.

Hence the Governing Body today are :

Self-appointed Charlatans.

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GB being sued as a group and named individually in a child sexual abuse coverup.

by liam in

this is a court case filed in august 2021 by the zalkin law firm.

deborah hines vs watchtower and the governing body.. what's interesting is;.

"ny already set a precedent that an unincorporated group can be sued for its action and has specifically said this case can move forward.

Phizzy

" My god though, what that child endured .".

The G.B and the Org. overall do not care or hardly think about the poor victims in cases like this.

So much for having " love among yourselves", they do not care enough to take the necessary action so that a child, and the adult that child becomes, does not have their whole life destroyed. Bastards !

And let's hope that the compensation awarded in this Case is HUGE !

I also hope Criminal Charges are pursued, mainly hoping that then the G.B will be forced to adopt a proper active Protection programme with appointed , trained Protection Officers present at all J.W. gatherings etc. and that the vulnerable are even properly protected in their own homes etc.

They abrogate that responsibility to the parents, some of whom who have been fooled in to being remiss in the past, a proper active system will ensure that no child or vulnerable person is alone with anyone who is not a parent at any time, they must stress to parents the absolute necessity of making sure the vulnerable are always chaperoned..

This is easily set up, so that in or around K.H's etc. nothing can happen, and not in a home or elsewhere either. Religions and even small Clubs and Associations etc. do this here in the U.K. and have done for some years now.

Why have J.W's NEVER done this ?

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GB being sued as a group and named individually in a child sexual abuse coverup.

by liam in

this is a court case filed in august 2021 by the zalkin law firm.

deborah hines vs watchtower and the governing body.. what's interesting is;.

"ny already set a precedent that an unincorporated group can be sued for its action and has specifically said this case can move forward.

Phizzy

Great News ! AT LAST the G.B is being held accountable ! Despite all of their shenanigans to avoid accountability !

And this case WILL become generally known among J.W's.

This is really BIG !

Thanks for Posting.

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Great Vid from "Faith to Faithless" U.K about leaving.

by Phizzy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmnaypn26yy.

Phizzy

I have had no reason to use the service, but I know personally one founder member, the wonderful Terri O'Sullivan, who used to Post on here.

For decades she has helped people leaving J.W's, and then expanded to helping others leaving High Control religions, this work of hers was soon assisted by other XJW's, and eventually has become a division of Humanists U.K, and hence is under the umbrella of that esteemed Organisation.

"Faith to Faithless" is a very skilled group of fully trained people, just a phone call away, who know how to advise people on all aspects of leaving a High Control/Mind Control Group. Including the very important emotional aspects. I am sure in many instances they are a literal "Life Saver", and they can and do ease a person in to their new life of total freedom.

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Great Vid from "Faith to Faithless" U.K about leaving.

by Phizzy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmnaypn26yy.

Phizzy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNayPn26YY

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I think I may be becoming an X-X-JW

by joe134cd in

i think i may be moving on shortly.

i officially joined this web-site 12 years ago as pimo about to exit the organisation.

i had spent about a year before that, as just a none commenting member.

Phizzy

" It seems like another lifetime ago that I have left behind."

Me too Punky ! It is also for me somewhat like looking at what happened to another guy , younger than me, in another Country !

I guess that means you, me, and others who feel like that are now Ex-XJW's ! We really have moved on !

All the best to you Buddy, are you still playing in a Band ?

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Examples of Watchtower flawed interpretation of Bible passages?

by Vanderhoven7 in

asking jehovah’s witnesses to interpret specific passages is a great way to demonstrate their interpretive abuse.

got any clear examples?.

Phizzy

The J.W Org. approach to understanding and explaining Scripture is just 100% WRONG !

So early on after leaving I adopted the default position that any J.W explanation was wrong, that position has served me well !

They approach Scripture in totally the wrong way, by interpreting nearly everything as being literal, when many genres are to be found in the Bible, and few are meant by the writer to be taken as literal truth !

They also commit the Cardinal Sin, of employing Eisegesis to nearly every Scripture, in other words, they read in to scripture what is NOT there !

The correct way to understand any Text, especially Ancient ones, is to use proper Exegesis and Hermeneutics. The correct use ot those is to understand the milieu of the Writer's time and place, and what the theology or Christology of the time and the Writer himself was. Added to that of course an understanding of how words were used by the said Writer is needed.

The aim is to understand what the Writer meant by his words, in depth, and what the readers of his day would have understood them to mean.

To add to that, and to twist the words and meaning is an Insult to Scripture.

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I think I may be becoming an X-X-JW

by joe134cd in

i think i may be moving on shortly.

i officially joined this web-site 12 years ago as pimo about to exit the organisation.

i had spent about a year before that, as just a none commenting member.

Phizzy

I am glad you are moving on joe, it is so good for your personal happiness and well-being !

If it means we will not have the pleasure of your company here so often, so be it. In fact the vast majority of people who were "Regulars" on here when I first joined about two decades ago, are no longer on here. It seems to be a part of many people's journey to becoming a normal , happy person, to lose interest in things J.W, and how healthy is that !

All the best to you in your future, may you eradicate all J.W influence upon your thinking and personality, so that you become almost like someone who has never been a J.W, of course we can never forget, but we can expunge every baleful influence the Org. had on us.

May you be forever Fulfilled and Happy !