Posts by Phizzy

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Phizzy

Good thoughts here from the old Archbish. and yourself Slimboy.

As a non-believer myself, I don't believe any gods ever existed, or ever will., these are mere questions of academic interest to me, but, I AM interested ! It is now a hobby of mine to study the development of ideas and of religions.

I can see how the Trinity Doctrine came about, the basis for the thinking behind it is in Scripture, the Writer of the Gospel of John drew on the Hebrew Scriptures to formulate his ideas, and Greek Philosophy too somewhat.

The Church would have been far better off had it not gone beyond what that Writer said !

As is obvious, the Trinity Doctrine as it stands goes "beyond what is written" and is beyond Logic, and it is beyond Reality, as also are any ideas about gods being real.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

Phizzy

P.P said " Those that chose to fade, walk or stomp away didn't do it just so as to be free to do birthdays openly, they wanted their lives back, with a clear sense of self-direction, and intellectual honesty."

That was why I simply walked away one day, never to return. It is in my genetic make-up to be a Lover of Truth, to pretend I am not, which I would have to do if I remained in the J.W's, would have been to deny WHO I AM !

I decided that Truth is ONLY that which has irrefutable Evidence. Anything with a lesser quality of Evidence is mere opinion. And things with Zero Evidence, like beliefs in gods etc. can be discounted as valid opinions, having no evidence means they do not accord with Reality in any way.

I did not know how my family, especially my darling wife would react to my leaving, or what the Elders would do, but, to be true to myself I simply HAD to walk away, from a "religion" founded upon, and maintained by Lies.

Those who are J.W Light are such for a variety of reasons, but either they are not truly Lovers of Truth, or if they are, they are denying who they really are !

To be in either situation is not a mentally comfortable one, and mitigates against attaining full Peace and Happiness.

But, each to his own, I do not criticise people for that kind of decision, I just feel sorry for them, I know how wonderful it is to have full Intellectual Freedom, and a clear sense of self direction, and to be comfortable in my own skin, because I am now the REAL ME.

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Ex-jws request congregation info on file

by blondie in

jw
friends

https://www.oakbaynews.com/news/grand-forks-jehovahs-witnesses-lose-privacy-law-appeal-7897541 .

Phizzy

Thanks for Posting ! Interesting and encouraging this ! If the J.W's are silly enough to Appeal to a higher Court, I have little doubt they will lose there too, as they should !

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New World, New World Order, New System of Things

by blondie in

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friends

the wts has used to above terms, over the years, some more preferred in certain time periods.

more though, but these occurred to me first.

also the terms "new world" and "new world order" have been used by some us presidents and other leaders..

Phizzy

The "New World Order" or whatever expression they chose to use was the Carrot, the fear of Armageddon the stick.

I remember when I was in my late teens walking past an elderly "Brother" who was talking to a friend of mine, a young J.W, who had stopped going to the Meetings, the old Boy said to my friend "You know Armageddon's coming", my young friend just nodded, and I walked on and heard no more. But that was over 60 years ago, the old boy is long dead, as are nearly all of his generation.

"Armageddon" is still "imminent" according to the twisted beliefs of J.W. org. as it has been since the late 19th Century.

The young feller was not daunted by the fear of Armageddon, or tempted by the "promise" of a New World, he never went back to the J.W's. Some years later the guy who had brought him in to the J.W's when he was still a schoolboy, made a trip from overseas where he lived, and made a point of calling on his friend, in an attempt to suck him back in to the J.W's, when he asked the young feller why he no longer was a Witness, the young feller replied "Because it's all a Load of Bollocks".

No longer are most of the the young J.W's tempted by the idea of a New World, and I hope not in fear of a mythical Armageddon, and certainly the Public also think it is all a "Load of Bollocks", so what do the J.W Org. have these days as a product to sell that will appeal ?

That Carrot and Stick no longer work !

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Whimsy

by vienne in

not really about witnesses, but cognate.

see newest post.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

Phizzy

Full of fascinating historical info. Vienne, thank you !

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bangers and cash

by stan livedeath in

bangers and cash is a uk tv series about a family running a business of selling cars and car related items in an auction house.. one of family members referred to an event some time in the past with the words.

" when god was a boy ".

oi ad to larf..

Phizzy

This has just reminded me of the Joke along similar lines, about the seeming Immortality, despite his life style, of Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones.

It goes like this : God was showing all the animals to Adam, and Adam says " They are all fantastic, but who is that old guy over there ? ", and god replies " Oh, that's Keef, I don't know who he is, but he was here when I got here ! ".

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Ebion

by peacefulpete in

early christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.

one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.

we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.

Phizzy

Touchofgrey, in a minute i will private message you !

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Ebion

by peacefulpete in

early christianity was every bit, if not more, diverse than christianity today.

one of the very early sects was named the ebionites.

we have unfortunately nothing left of their own writings apart from a few quotes from what epiphanius believed was their recension of matthew.

Phizzy

Thanks PP,

I am now wondering what were the beliefs of a small group back in the 19th Century, I assume, near where I live, here in Kent U.K, they erected a small Chapel, called The Ebionite Chapel. I will try to find out !

It is now, like multiple former Chapels in the U.K, a private home.

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What are some of the more exceptional self-authenticating claims made by Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

let's start the ball rolling with two connected claims.. the religion of jehovah’s witnesses is the one true religion.

all other religions are satanic, including all the churches of christendom..

Phizzy

The most blatant self-authenticating claim, and the one that is so starkly utter nonsense, with zero support from Scripture and even common sense, is that they were appointed in 1919 as "the faithful and discreet Slave".

And hence that claim to Authority and some sort of "Hot Line to Heaven" can be claimed by today's Governing Body.

The 1919 claim relies on the long debunked 1914 nonsense, and upon claiming that Jesus chose them on the basis of what they were teaching circa 1919. As Raymond Franz said in one of his Books, that claim is " an Insult to Jesus".

A common sense reading of the Parable that the FDS comes from makes it plain it is ONLY a Parable, a Teaching Aid, a Story, and not a prophecy of any kind.

Hence the Governing Body today are :

Self-appointed Charlatans.

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GB being sued as a group and named individually in a child sexual abuse coverup.

by liam in

this is a court case filed in august 2021 by the zalkin law firm.

deborah hines vs watchtower and the governing body.. what's interesting is;.

"ny already set a precedent that an unincorporated group can be sued for its action and has specifically said this case can move forward.

Phizzy

" My god though, what that child endured .".

The G.B and the Org. overall do not care or hardly think about the poor victims in cases like this.

So much for having " love among yourselves", they do not care enough to take the necessary action so that a child, and the adult that child becomes, does not have their whole life destroyed. Bastards !

And let's hope that the compensation awarded in this Case is HUGE !

I also hope Criminal Charges are pursued, mainly hoping that then the G.B will be forced to adopt a proper active Protection programme with appointed , trained Protection Officers present at all J.W. gatherings etc. and that the vulnerable are even properly protected in their own homes etc.

They abrogate that responsibility to the parents, some of whom who have been fooled in to being remiss in the past, a proper active system will ensure that no child or vulnerable person is alone with anyone who is not a parent at any time, they must stress to parents the absolute necessity of making sure the vulnerable are always chaperoned..

This is easily set up, so that in or around K.H's etc. nothing can happen, and not in a home or elsewhere either. Religions and even small Clubs and Associations etc. do this here in the U.K. and have done for some years now.

Why have J.W's NEVER done this ?