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  New to the forums.

  by ViridianSoul in

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  i looked all over for a place to introduce myself and either i'm completely blind or i missed it.

  i figured i'd just post it here.. okay.. hello to everyone.

  my name's tabitha.

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  Phizzy

  Welcome ViridianSoul ! you will find many who believe very similarly to you on here, but we are an eclectic bunch, so equally as many may not believe the same.

  We have some resident looneys too, you'll soon spot 'em

  It does not matter, the only thing that I and others find objectionable is if someone tells us we MUST believe the same as them, for whatever reason, and you seem not to be of that sort, thank goodness !

  I think you are lucky and clever to have got out of the JW's when you did, before lots of damage could be done, it will be interesting to hear more of your experiences growing up in the religion, I look forward to them, when you are ready.
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  Most Jehovah's Witnesses dont want ex-JWs, dis-fellowshipped, disassociated to be successful!!!

  by Joliette in

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  or to acheieve any goals in their life.

  and how dare you try to enjoy your life in this sick and demonic world.

  dont you know that this world wont be here for long?

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  Phizzy

  The other thing I had said to me after I left was "but, you cannot be happy !"

  They do not believe you can be, away from Jehoober, but little do they know !

  I never knew happiness like I have experienced since leaving, not for all my time in the Borg.

  I just love smiling and waving at them and telling them "I am doing great !"
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  How does one write to the "societey" for an annulment?

  by Frog in

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  i've decided it's worth a try...i don't want to regret feeling that i once again acknowledged their control over my life, so i intend to draft it in such a way as i'm telling them, but still if they should honour it then that would be a bonus.... but, i'm not sure who to address the request to at the sydney headquaters?

  has anyone had success with an annulment request before?

  any suggestions, regrets, things to be warey of?.

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  Phizzy

  They will not recognise it as such, as an annulment, whether you said the vows or not, or understood what you were doing, if you gave any support to the WT after your baptism, by going in FS and by accepting a responsibility from them, esp appointed men, but a sister who watches a donation box at an ASSY will do, they say you have shown that you believed your baptism was valid.

  They will simply accept your letter as a DA letter.

  By all means send it if it makes you feel better, for me that is tantamount to saying they and their rules have some legitamacy, I do not recognise the WT as a religion, and they have no authority over me, so I will not be writing.
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  How long will it take for me to be reinstated?

  by jam in

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  in veiw of the shortage of men in the borg, how.

  long do you think it will take.

  lets say you were.

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  Phizzy

  They were fairly quick back in the day, based on their false exegesis of the two letters to the Corinthians, they felt that the scripture showed only a year or so should pass if the poor sap was "repentant".

  Are you saying you could be DF'd on Sunday and re-instated on Thursday now ?
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  Think about it.. Has the Watchtower changed their interpretation of a Scripture? (superior authorities for example)

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ..now read this.

  reasoning book page 65 paragraph 3 -- " two things can help us to understand the bible correctly.

  first, consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement.

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  Phizzy

  Just look at how many times their interpretation relies on not taking the context into consideration ! i.e Blood Doctrine.

  If they had truly got god's thinking via his word, their interpretation would never change.
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  Should you ever tell tour aging parents the truth about the truth

  by Star tiger in

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  2. announcements

  since finding out the truth about the truth myself and having successfully extricated myself and my parents about the jw's, i find myself with a new dilema that being they still believe the bible as a literal book for their salvation as i has read all of thomas paines works and how the bible is not very good for the human family, as they are of advancing years would it be inappropriate to shatter their illusions of some kind of paradise and let them flounder in a moral precipice and wonder what their lives have been about.

  on the flip side once their time has come how would i feel for not telling them their false views.

  at the moment i am in the deist point of view, with a tendency of the agnostic, it is quite a dilema!.

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  Phizzy

  I told them that I do not believe in anything, belief being in the sense of trusting in something without proof, if they could prove to me that theirs was the true religion then I would return. The proof would have to stand up to scientific/forensic style scrutiny.

  The fact that they have not come to me with such proof must make them realise that their "truth" is not supported, I do not need to tell them more.

  They are still active in the religion.
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  Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.

  by Mr Facts in

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  for those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.

  do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..

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  Phizzy

  When I walked away I was alone ,my children were already out, but they are adults now, so my wife and all my close family were still in. My family is just producing its fifth generation of JWs.

  I did not know what would happen, I knew it was on the cards that I would be alone, no family , no friends apart from the few "worldly" people I count as friends but who I had not been that great to because I was aJW.

  I could no longer stomach the inside of a K.H . I was lucky, my wife followed me. had she not it would have put a terrific strain on our relationship.

  I can see why some still go, I just could not, I would literally puke. I do think though that it would be best to set yourself a time limit on how long you keep going, you are achieving nothing while you go, once you stop it is much better for you,and is more likely to help your family, but you have to accept the flack and the problems.

  I say good luck to all, you must decide what is best for you and yours.
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  History of Medical Treatments

  by allyouneedislove in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  you know what would be real helpful?

  a complete history of each medical treatment that the wt has ruled against at any given time.. i have tried to do the reasearch, but it is hard.. example: the date hemoglobin started being used for medical treatment, when the injections for rh problems started becoming used, when hemophiliac factors (like viii, etc.

  ) started being used, etc.. it would also be great if all of those dates were backed by a solid reference.. any help?.

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  Phizzy

  Thank you JWfacts, very concise and accurate, and quite a shock to many JW's who do not know the history, a powerful document.
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  How many times did you hear that someone had a great discussion at the door?

  by 3Mozzies in

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  Phizzy

  I had one lady say to me "I don't mind you coming here for a chat, I just can't stand those Jehovah's Witnesses " Ooops !

  Just shows how committed I was (not) I suppose.
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  For seekers - how to personally find God and hear him speak

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  please ignore this thread if you are not looking for god.

  this thread is for seekers, and for those who have found god to share their insights and experience.. the unabridged gospel message was designed as a map that leads to a personal relationship with the "god of abraham" (yahweh) through a direct relationship with jesus (as our one and only mediator).. as such it is the exact opposite of the message called "religion" which leads instead to a personal relationship and intimacy with the "god of religion" (satan the devil who transforms himself into an angel of light) and his religious organisations, hierarchies, clergy, sanhedrins and pharisees.. two key bible passages highlight this antithetical relationship: matthew 23 (religion, self-righteousness) versus romans 3 & 4 (the gospel, especially imputed righteousness or justification, similar to imputed holiness or sanctification).. a useful starting point may be to find and mark the 152-odd times that the bible refers to the "good news" or "gospel" depending on which translation.

  the watchtower library search tool can be useful for this.

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  Phizzy

  Was "Yahweh" the God of Abraham ? The name does not occur until the quite late, (compared with when Abraham is supposed to have lived), writing of Genesis etc

  I wonder if in fact Abraham worshipped "El" or even an earlier god ? (Abraham , as with many bible characters may of course be mainly fictional)