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  Cart Witnessing....They deserve the same ''cold shoulder''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a man named jerry.

  on a public sidewalk, he asks attendees leaving a jehovah's witness convention in san diego a simple question, ''do jehovah's witnesses have the truth.

  not one person acknowledges him.

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  Phizzy

  If they really believed they had the truth, they would be eager to share it. This "experience" shows that the majority of J.W's today do NOT believe they have the truth.

  When I was fully in, I would have engaged anybody, anywhere who posed that question to me. I was confident I could make a very good job of defending my faith. I had crossed swords with Vicars, Priests and one time a full blown ( no Pun intended LOL) Bishop !

  Admittedly ,looking back, I know all those Seminary trained guys actually got the better of me, they won the debate !

  But I was still never afraid to talk to anybody about my beliefs.

  The Cognitive Dissonance of constantly hearing " the truth, the truth, the truth" and yet deep down knowing it is not, must be mental agony for today's JW's, who I think evidently are dishonest and have no integrity.
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  3 New Letters Arrived!--2019-December!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2019 december brd newsletter.

  https://docdro.id/odvxhqr.

  2019-s-1-e-congregation field service and meeting attendance report.

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  Phizzy

  Way over the top sir 82, I just looked at a small Mitsubishi 5 door saloon, so cheaper yes, but, low mileage full service history and made in 2915, asking price, £ 2,400.

  I reckon some sucker JW's buy these overpriced cars thinking the Angels will keep 'em going !

  As to Meeting Attendance, back in the early 2000s when I was still in about 30% would miss mid Week, and about 20% Weekend Meetings. Weekends we had loads of latecomers who would miss two thirds of the P.T anyway.

  If it is now worse than that, even an amalgamated Congregation formed from two previously separate ones, must look empty !
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  Johnson and the NHS

  by jhine in

  1. social
  2. current

  we brits are being bombarded with facts and speculation about the horrific consequences of either corbin or johnson getting into power .

  another thread has discussed the anti-semitic leanings ( or not ) of corbin .

  what do people think about the left's claims that boris would sell off the nhs ,only this morning l saw a post on fb saying that " america is demanding full access to nhs records " it has been pointed out by a political reporter on the bbc that the talks that the papers were leaked about happened before johnson became pm and these were just things that have been put on the negotiating table by the usa .

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  Phizzy

  "The will of the British People" is trotted out as though it is a static thing. People, when given real facts, real information, are free to change their minds, or not, of course.

  The great Athenian Historian Thucydides gives an account where his fellow Athenians have decided to destroy an enemy City, their first Referendum, if you like, he then says that they decided good arguments were given on both sides, maybe more knowledge had been obtained? so they Debated the issue again, the second Referendum, if you like. They decided NOT to destroy the City, and then he makes a pertinent remark we should all take not of, he says, " If we cannot change our minds, then it is not Democracy". (See Book Three of his History)
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  Johnson and the NHS

  by jhine in

  1. social
  2. current

  we brits are being bombarded with facts and speculation about the horrific consequences of either corbin or johnson getting into power .

  another thread has discussed the anti-semitic leanings ( or not ) of corbin .

  what do people think about the left's claims that boris would sell off the nhs ,only this morning l saw a post on fb saying that " america is demanding full access to nhs records " it has been pointed out by a political reporter on the bbc that the talks that the papers were leaked about happened before johnson became pm and these were just things that have been put on the negotiating table by the usa .

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  Phizzy

  The Big Pharma Corporations of America would not be in negotiations to maintain present prices would they ? of course nothing has been agreed BEFORE an Election, the Tory Government even tried to keep the negotiations secret. Why do you think that was ?

  And as for Lying Boris and Lying Trump telling us there is nothing to worry about, when they BOTH have said previously that there sure was, who do you believe ? That pair ? or people with knowledge and great concerns, like those actually in the N.H.S. Those who purchase drugs for the N.H.S

  As to Voting decision, look at what you want to result from this Election, if it is 10 more years maybe of Tory misrule, half arsed remedies for problems they created by Austerity, millions of people, and their children in Poverty, a real hit to our Economy etc etc , then vote Conservative.

  If you want real change, a better Society, and real problem solving, then who will you Vote for ? probably you will say "Well, not Labour because ......", whatever your "becauses" are, do some real research, and see if they are true, and above all, do not waste your Vote where it can make no difference.
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  Melbourne Convention Protest

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi all.. i didn't want to post this in private because i want all to see what i saw.. the protest at the melbourne convention went superbly in my opinion.

  the protesters and their banners were more than eloquent and succinct.

  you could feel the emotion they all conveyed.

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  Phizzy

  I really do believe that this is the way to do a protest, respectful, loving, but with hard hitting messages. Those JW's passing by cannot "unsee" what was on those excellent signs.

  Shouting, harassing and being a nuisance is not the way.

  Well done our ozzie friends in Melly !
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  How Many Here Are Estranged From Your Family Because Of The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do your jw relatives still talk to you?

  are you now not very close?

  are you avoided?

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  Phizzy

  Yes. Yes. Yes. And we are simply faded JW's, not DF or DA.
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  Life Update 2019

  by passwordprotected in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's been a while since i was anywhere close to being active here, or on any other ex-jw forum or facebook group.

  i rarely think about the religion and have little-to-no interest in it.. however, i do, very occasionally pop in here.

  hence this update, 3 years on since my last one - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5720228449222656/update-on-my-journey-8-years-after-end-watchtower-control.

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  Phizzy

  Great to hear from you ! and it is lovely to hear your life is a thorough success, by the way I measure true success.

  I have two lovely sons, both respected and liked by all whom they meet, they were never actually J.W's, though we were still in until they were in their late teens. I have two beautiful grandchildren, I do not live in poverty.

  I rate that as true success for an ex jeehubbabub who left after nearly six decades in and lost a lot of his business from JW's !

  Please don't be a stranger at our door here, I always enjoyed your Posts, even when you were still religious, your incisive mind and ability to frame a good argument were a pleasure, even if only to cross swords with !

  All the best to you and yours old friend, and keep us Posted !
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  Re :New Moston Cong. U.K Report from U.K Gov.on Abuse.

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity?fbclid=iwar0chnvc4vko4s63uci5xnd7sff_8p5ku.

  the link is to the report on the new moston congregation in manchester u.k. the report says that better safeguarding has been introduced !

  we could tell then where even "better" safeguarding is still woefully short of what most other organizations are doing..

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  Phizzy

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity?fbclid=IwAR0chNvC4Vko4S63UcI5xnD7Sff_8p5kU

  The Link is to the Report on the New Moston Congregation in Manchester U.K

  The report says that better safeguarding has been introduced ! We could tell then where even "better" safeguarding is still woefully short of what most other organizations are doing.
  
  
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  10 Year Growth Chart

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here are some visuals to help show what is going on with the jw numbers game.

  i am not a numbers guy and there maybe a few errors (info directly from grand total pages on jw.borg).

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  Phizzy

  Yea, just cigarillos, not wacky baccy, but then I don't need that to be stoopid !
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  Comparing Memorial Outlines--2002-and-2020!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a request we received to show older memorial outlines compared to the most recent.. comparing memorial outlines-2002-and 2020!.

  https://docdro.id/orelroq.

  the watchtower wants our personal data,....ok!.

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  Phizzy

  No earth shattering differences, I agree.

  But I spotted one, they have dropped reading Revelation 14v4. This talks of the 144,000 being "firstfruits to God and the Lamb", which immediately begs the question, who then are the further "fruits" that will enter Heaven ? J.W's teach that the 144,000 is a literal number, and the total from earth who enter heaven.

  Rev 14v4 says different.