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  How many Christians were there in the 1st century?

  by yaddayadda in

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  just been reading former long-time brooklyn bethelite tom cabeen's very encouraging article entitled "where is the body of christ?".

  (can be found at http://divinetruth.homestead.com/bodyofchrist.pdf) .

  in his article, tom says: "when john received the revelation around the end of the first century, there were hundreds of thousands of christians, even by conservative estimates.

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  Phizzy

  They have always claimed that they are going back to the "true Christianity" as practised in the 1st century, so they agree those early followers were true Christians. This of course ignores the proof that there were a good number of Jesus Cults in the Ist century, with wildly differing beliefs.

  But quite obviously the number of Jesus followers must have been great enough before the end of the Ist Century, when the Borg says " Apostasy" began, to have more than filled 144,000 places in heaven.

  Just another stupid JW Doctrine that does not stand up to scrutiny.
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  Do you think any of the GB have different beliefs?

  by neat blue dog in

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  do you think any higher ups know that much of the doctrine they teach is bunk?

  thinking back to the time of raymond franz, how he pointed out specifically numerous teachings that the churches really did have right all along, and really any of the hidden mic apostacy trials you listen to on youtube, you see that even when inconvenient bible teachings are proven, the elders just try to sweep it under the rug and move on.

  i think i remember franz saying how one of the gb approached him somewhat sympathetically, but there was nothing he could do.. whether you believe in the bible or not, there are some basic beliefs common among most denominations because they're just so plainly stated, such things as heavenly life for all christians, no central authority structure, minimal use of god's name, etc.

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  Phizzy

  I should guess that all of them have internal doubts about some of the Bulls***, as all of us must have had, even if with us, it was something as almost trivial as the excessive Rules, rather than actual Doctrine.

  But it must have been seriously rattling to them as they formulated the various changes over the Generation Doctrine, knowing that they were being simply reactive to the passing of time, and just making it up as they went along.

  I think they know quite well how dodgy the whole thing surrounding 1914 is as well, from the time in the '60's when Carl Olof Jonsson wrote to them, and proved 1914 was totally in error, and then published his Book on it, they must have been inundated with letters along the same lines.

  They may fool themselves that, regardless, they are still god's org. but they know they are lying about this.
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  One Question Survey

  by Iamallcool in

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  did you leave jw because they are hign control religion?

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  Phizzy

  No, I only became aware of the extent of Authoritarianism and Mind Control after I left, as well as other things, the spur for me to leave was the fallacy/downright lie, of the 1914 Doctrine, which simply is nonsense, and therefore the G.B are self appointed Charlatans.
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  Shoehorning events regarding so called bible prophecy

  by nowwhat? in

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  does anyone really look at england and the united states as a duel world power?

  america alone is the world power.

  you can lump england in with other counties like france and germany.

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  Phizzy

  By "England" I take it you mean the United Kingdom.We here have not really been a World Power for a while, and now we have left the European Union our economy will no longer support what used to be jokingly called "foreign adventures" or something similar.

  Our Navy is depleted, we have an Army somewhat diminished and struggling to recruit, though we have respected and even feared Special Forces, the SAS etc, our Air Force is not too bad.

  So yes, the U.K is no longer a World Power. And of course, the J W Org's explanation of what they call Bible prophecies always was laughable, and now makes no sense.

  Expect " new light" to accommodate new events and changes in the Political World, but things change so fast that the org is firing at a moving target, by the time their "new light" is published, things will have moved on.
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  2019 JW Statistics

  by Attewc in

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  here is the updated chart based on jw.org provided statistics found here: link to 2019 statistics.

  anything that stands out to you ?.

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  Phizzy

  FF the org claims that it spent this money, but yes, knowing their way with words that could be it, but I think they are being untruthful about where money goes, would that be such a surprise ?
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

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  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Phizzy

  " Snotty Nose" is not a symptom of Covid19 so far as I know. It attacks the Lungs.
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  2019 JW Statistics

  by Attewc in

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  here is the updated chart based on jw.org provided statistics found here: link to 2019 statistics.

  anything that stands out to you ?.

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  Phizzy

  Using Slim's calculation, you are saying they spent at least $223,000,000. on healthcare ????? This is as I said I reckon, a way of explaining away where the money goes.
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  2019 JW Statistics

  by Attewc in

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  here is the updated chart based on jw.org provided statistics found here: link to 2019 statistics.

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  Phizzy

  " During the 2019 service year, Jehovah’s Witnesses spent over $224 million in caring for special pioneers, missionaries, and circuit overseers in their field service assignments."

  REALLY ????? In my time in those expenses were all covered by the local bros, apart from Stipends, which were a paltry few $$$, so is this huge figure a way of explaining away where some of the money has gone ?
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  May 2020 Study WT - more convoluted false prophesying

  by neat blue dog in

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  the first two study articles of the latest wt raise the usual sense of urgency with more of the same theological quackery russell would be proud of.. first up, something we've always known, the embarrassing admission that jws think they are the center of the universe:.

  even though god’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events.

  because satan and his entire system have one prime objective—conquering those who serve jehovah .

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  Phizzy

  To true DOC ! but the constant changes in Doctrine worried me, until eventually I permitted myself to examine the whole shebang, and of course left a few months later. I hope this may happen for other JW's.
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  My first book: "APOSTATE – WHY I LEFT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

  by Antonio_Madaleno in

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  my first book: "apostate – why i left the jehovah's witnesses".

  it will be release on march in portugal by penguin random house.. .

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  Phizzy

  Thanks for your Book Antonio, and I will obtain an English version. I am sure it will help many a JW to awaken and leave the Cult.