Well, what is Truth ? Truth can only be established by Facts and Evidence that stand the most rigorous scrutiny by real experts in the field under discussion.
Everything we think we know about Jesus is Fiction.
Posts by Phizzy
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14What is Truth?
by Sea Breeze inravi zacharias just passed away the other day.
this is his defense on jesus being the truth.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n77d4dugp4.
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Another shocking JW Abuse case, with Legal Commentary
by Phizzy in"16 april 2020 | comment | article by alan collins.
jehovah’s witness elder sentenced to nine years in prison for sexual abuse.
jehovah’s witness elder, clifford whiteley, has been sentenced to nine years in prison at the birmingham crown court for sexual abuse offences he committed against a child member of the congregation over ten years ago.. mr whiteley initially denied the offences to the police, despite the fact that he had admitted his guilt during an internal investigation of the jehovah’s witnesses.. during court proceedings, mr whiteley’s defence counsel, sharon bailey, stated that the jehovah’s witnesses refused to disclose the details of his confession to the police.
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Phizzy
Clergy-Penitent Privilege has not been a Legal excuse, or tool, in the U.K since the Reformation. Obviously when Elders hear stuff in a J.C. they have a duty to keep it from becoming general knowledge, UNLESS it is a Crime !
We know anyway that all details get out via Elders wives etc, but that is almost beside the point, except they seem to be able to keep it quiet when it is a case of Child Abuse quite often, when in fact, they have a Duty to warn the Congregation in some way.
They still have a Moral Duty wherever they live on Earth to Report IMMEDIATELY to the Authorities, and now it has been underlined they have, in the U.K, a Legal Duty to do so.
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Another shocking JW Abuse case, with Legal Commentary
by Phizzy in"16 april 2020 | comment | article by alan collins.
jehovah’s witness elder sentenced to nine years in prison for sexual abuse.
jehovah’s witness elder, clifford whiteley, has been sentenced to nine years in prison at the birmingham crown court for sexual abuse offences he committed against a child member of the congregation over ten years ago.. mr whiteley initially denied the offences to the police, despite the fact that he had admitted his guilt during an internal investigation of the jehovah’s witnesses.. during court proceedings, mr whiteley’s defence counsel, sharon bailey, stated that the jehovah’s witnesses refused to disclose the details of his confession to the police.
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Phizzy
Jehovah's Witnesses 'refused to reveal details of sex abuse by church elder'
Clifford Whiteley, 73, jailed for offences but court told church had refused to reveal details of what he told them
A Jehovah's Witnesses group refused to help police after a paedophile elder had confessed to them, a court heard.
Clifford Whiteley, 73, had admitted the child abuse to a West Midlands branch of the church after carrying out the attack more than ten years ago.
But a court heard the group allegedly refused to reveal details of that confession to police - citing data protection reasons.
After being arrested by police Whiteley initially denied his crimes, before saying: "My life is over now. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot lie. God will judge me."
Whiteley, of Ball Fields, Great Bridge, Tipton, was jailed for nine years at Birmingham Crown Court.
He had previously pleaded guilty to sexual assault of a child and three other serious sexual offences.
Passing sentence, Judge Paul Farrer QC told him: "You used your religion to convince your victim she was complicit in your wrongdoing and, in that way, sought to silence her and, sadly, you succeeded for many years."
The court heard the victim had been brought up in the Jehovah's Witnesses while the defendant was an Elder in a congregation in the West Midlands " . From The Birmingham Mail.
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Another shocking JW Abuse case, with Legal Commentary
by Phizzy in"16 april 2020 | comment | article by alan collins.
jehovah’s witness elder sentenced to nine years in prison for sexual abuse.
jehovah’s witness elder, clifford whiteley, has been sentenced to nine years in prison at the birmingham crown court for sexual abuse offences he committed against a child member of the congregation over ten years ago.. mr whiteley initially denied the offences to the police, despite the fact that he had admitted his guilt during an internal investigation of the jehovah’s witnesses.. during court proceedings, mr whiteley’s defence counsel, sharon bailey, stated that the jehovah’s witnesses refused to disclose the details of his confession to the police.
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Phizzy
"16 April 2020 | Comment | Article by Alan CollinsJehovah’s Witness Elder sentenced to nine years in prison for sexual abuse
Jehovah’s Witness Elder, Clifford Whiteley, has been sentenced to nine years in prison at the Birmingham Crown Court for sexual abuse offences he committed against a child member of the congregation over ten years ago.
Mr Whiteley initially denied the offences to the police, despite the fact that he had admitted his guilt during an internal investigation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
During court proceedings, Mr Whiteley’s defence counsel, Sharon Bailey, stated that the Jehovah’s Witnesses refused to disclose the details of his confession to the police. They claimed that this was for data protection reasons. The prosecution counsel, Kathryn Orchard, also stated the same.
Mr Whiteley subsequently pleading guilty to sexual assault of a child and three other serious sexual offences. The conviction was secured, unfortunately, without the assistance of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
This case raises some concerning issues about organisational co-operation with the police in the course of an investigation and how this interacts with religious freedoms.
The Jehovah’s Witness organisation conducts its own scriptural investigations in accordance with bible based instruction. This is effectively done to determine whether a sin has been committed in the eyes of the religion. This investigation can include questioning the offender and obtaining his/her version of events. No doubt, this is important and useful information to investigating officers.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses have argued in the past, unsuccessfully, that the duty of religious confidentiality prevents them from disclosing this information. This is not the case.
Mrs Justice Lieven DBE in a 2020 decision, Lancashire County Council v E & F & Ors, rightly held that this duty, whether arising under the common law or the ECHR, is qualified by the interests of public safety, the protection of health and morals, and the protection of the rights and freedom of others.
Put simply, if a child is in danger or the public interest demands the information be disclosed so a child sex offender can be properly investigated, the duty can be eschewed.
So too is this the case with data protection. There are exceptions to the obligations under, formally, the Data Protection Act and currently, the GDPR which would permit such disclosures. A case involving an investigation into allegations against a person in a position of trust and authority within the religious organisation (as the offender was here) ought to oblige the co-operation of that organisation.
Given the seriousness of the offending and the position of power, trust and authority the offender held within the Jehovah’s Witness congregation where he was an elder, why is it the case that the Jehovah’s Witnesses still refused to assist the authorities?
This is a question which the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse must address in the current hearings into Child Protection in Religious Organisations and Settings. The Jehovah’s Witnesses say they abhor child abuse and take child protection seriously but the mere fact the elders in this congregation failed to assist the police with inquiries says otherwise.
Mrs Justice Lieven said in the Lancashire case that the “evidence points inexorably to [the elders] having protected their and the [abuser’s] religious beliefs at the expense of the protection of the child.”
If the Jehovah’s Witness organisation is to demonstrate that it prioritises child protection then some significant changes have to be made internally so the organisation is seen to be transparent and cooperative with the police, rather than hiding behind technicalities to protect members who may have harmed a child.
Disclaimer: The information on the Hugh James website is for general information only and reflects the position at the date of publication. It does not constitute legal advice and should not be treated as such. If you would like to ensure the commentary reflects current legislation, case law or best practice, please contact the blog author."So the terrible JW org cannot hide behind Clergy privilege, or data protection in the U.K ! Good, make the bastards pay, and may the Abusers be publicly shamed, and prevented from ever abusing again.The org could, at a stroke, simply say what is morally and legally right to do for all J.W's. Any Abuse, and any Crime, should be reported IMMEDIATELY to the appropriate Authorities, who are trained to deal with such matters. No faffing about 'phoning Bethel, just do what is RIGHT you useless pricks. -
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Jehovah's Witnesses Class Warfare (parallels to Karl Marx)
by Terry inamong jehovah’s witnesses, the elite consists of 144,00 kings and priests who have been specially selected (anointed) to rule in heaven (as transformed spirit beings) over the second group (great crowd) who remain human on a paradise earth.. .
in marxist theory, the elite use wealth to obtain political power and control ideology consisting of shaping the worldview of the underclass.
(their role in society.).
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Phizzy
I would like to draw a parallel between Karl Marx himself, and us, as XJW's in one respect.
Marx' idea was that it was an inevitable thing that the Working folk would "wake up" to the fact that their labour was a Commodity to be sold on the open market like any other, and that they would revolt, at least to the extent of making sure that, instead of getting $6.00 for every $100 they produced for their Employer, they got much more. He hoped eventually the the means of production would end up being owned by those very workers.
We as XJW's, at least when we first leave, feel that it is inevitable that the JW's wake up. And then there would be a major exodus.
The parallel in my mind is this, Marx' main fault was that he did not give any idea of how to achieve his Workers Utopia, apart from the vague idea of some sort of Revolution, but how to achieve that ? how do you get the workers to wake up and take united action ?
It is the same for the XJW, how do we get the majority of JW's to wake up, and leave ?
Maybe in both cases something IS happening, Key Workers have had it brought home to them that they are worth more than Minimum Wage, and many JW's are waking up, and slowly leaving.
But in both cases, I fear it will be a very slow process, and may never really be achieved. Utopia for workers, and freedom for JW's seem a long way off.
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Noah’s flood
by dothemath ina few years ago at one of the conventions, there was a talk on gods remarkable creation.
one of the slides showed a giant sequoia tree, approximately 5000 years old!.
later another talk was about noah etc.
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Phizzy
One real killer for the idea of a Global flood, is a plant called Kings Lomatia, It is probably the oldest living thing on the Planet, in that it propagates itself in such a way that the original plant still lives, and is 40,000 years old !
Here is the knock out punch, it could not survive for any length of time under salt water ! I have an e-mail from the Professor who is the World expert on the planet, confirming that fact.
As to which local flood or floods gave rise to the myths, it is difficult to say, but certainly the myths are much older than when Noah's flood was supposed to happen, and no major flood of unusual proportions took place in the Middle East at that time.
So, total Myth the story is.
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Pioneer School Funny Picture
by pale.emperor infound this on one of the exjw reddit pages.
a "hilarious" group photo.
another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .
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Phizzy
truth b known, I always thought it would be great if they threatened to DF me, to say, "But I have never been a member of your religion, how can you DF me from something I have never fellowshipped within ?"
And then go on to outline how, since I left, about 14 years ago, it has All Changed !
It truly is a different religion, not any better really, but I think they have got more sneaky in the way they make today's JW's THINK it is better, allowing them to do silly photo's etc. Oh how those suckers are being conned !
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terrified but waking up, child abuse, suicide etc.
by anon1028 inim new to this forum, i dont know where else to post my story, sorry if im wrong for posting this on this subject.
as i begin to wake up from being in the org i thought id introduce myself to this forum with how i was raised in the org..., ive been beginning to look at everyones stories from being raised as one and how they left, and i find comfort in knowing im not alone, so maybe another young person like me will find the same comfort reading my story.
as you can tell by my username, i am posting this on an anonymous account because of fear of what the elders would do to me and my parents if they found out who i was.
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Phizzy
Welcome Anon,
I really feel for you in your circumstances, I was born in, and in for decades, when I left I too had thoughts of suicide and sought the help of an excellent Therapist, I was lucky, many people in those professions do not quite get the problem, but even so, any help they can offer should be taken. They are trained to help you to not only cope, but to find your way out of Depression, and to control, or "bury" it forever more.
I am so pleased and grateful I got that help. Within a short time I was O.K again, and I experienced for the first time in my life what real, lasting happiness really was ! As I grew as a person, I became happy in my own skin.
You have a wonderful life of freedom in front of you, you will meet many lovely people, make great friends, and probably fall in love. We only get this one life, as far as we know, it is down to us to work at making it the best we can for ourselves, and make it our aim to make the life of others pleasant too.
All the very best to you ! And come back and Post again, we are here to support and help you through this difficult period, which will end. One day you will feel, and say to yourself, " Isn't life just great ?".
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Pioneer School Funny Picture
by pale.emperor infound this on one of the exjw reddit pages.
a "hilarious" group photo.
another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .
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Phizzy
If we did not know anything about this photo, just came across it somewhere, what would be your honest first impression ?
The words weird and retards come to my mind, no disrespect to J.W's intended, I mean that WOULD have been my first impression, that they came from some sort of Home for people with " difficulties".
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Phizzy
This Site has changed a lot over the last decade or so, many of the really erudite Posters we used to have contributing , no longer do so. There is always the Search Button for people to find their excellent Posts.
It still remains a place where exiting J.W's can receive advice and support, of varying quality.
