Posts by Phizzy

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Watchtower Greek where the mumbo meets the jumbo

by Terry in

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take a look at this photo of a now long extinct publication!ain't she a beauty?.

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek.

gosh - just look at the gorgeous purple book up there!

Phizzy

" all our deep-seated belief is based on something illusory - not at all provable.

An amazing feeling.
A rug pull." Yes ! this is very true, for a number of us in for a long time, we had a few moments like this over the years, the Big Rug Pull is when you have your final Epiphany, and realise it is ALL lies, made up stories, and nonsense. Everything you ever believed in !

This is devastating to a born-in like me, and it felt like I had suddenly found out my "parents" had lied to me all my life, and I was in fact adopted. Then the questions really start, " Who am I really ?", for the adoptee in the example, and of course for those of us who were Born in. We have to change our whole Worldview, and find our real personality, the " Real Me". Not easy, those early steps on the Road to Freedom.

As to the realisation that there was in fact a paucity of early Manuscripts, for the O.T and N.T, in fact none were anywhere near the time of the Autographs, I realised this when we covered it in the Theocratic School, in the " Inspired" Book, and it troubled me then. I was amazed over the years after, to find out most J.W's who had covered this stuff the same as me, had not taken any notice of it. I suppose they sat there with their brains in neutral, I even had some argue with me, at times, that there were "Original" Manuscripts !

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Congregation Judicial Hearing Centres (Kangaroo Courts)

by Slidin Fast in

so, now it's official.

the only use for kingdom halls in england is for judicial committee hearings.

meetings?

Phizzy

" Utra-conservative groups don’t handle drastic change well at all."

Also the G.B. have never been prescient, and never been good at planning ahead really, and seem less so in the last decade or so.

I think they must be floundering as to what the best things to do are, for them of course, not the average JoBo, they have always seemed to me to be firing too late, at a moving Target. Now that problem is worse than they have ever known, I doubt they know what the present, yet alone the future, Targets should be.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

Phizzy

Fading has never been easy of course, but now, they damn well notice if you miss a meeting, and Elder Noseybugger will be on your case if you do. I know you can kinda fake attendance at a Zoom meeting, but it is not the same as when I faded.

I just walked out of the K.H one evening, looked back with regret actually, but thought " I will never step back in there again".

Up until then, i had been the very best meeting Attender in our Congregation, I was never ill, rarely took an annual vacation, just was always there. I heard not a beep from them for six months ( they are so loving ha ha ), and only then, because two Nazi Elders thought they could lay a charge of Apostasy on me. ( They failed.) ( Twice actually). Now, you would not be left in peace, I would have got away with it scot free, in those days, if I had not been imprudent.

" Quit quietly" yes, but be oh so careful, as you have to be these days.

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

Phizzy

They are such Narcissists, the "World" does not know who they are, as a rule, or at best knows very little about them. How could they ever, as an obscure little Cult, be at the centre of ANY World events ??

This nonsense has gone on since the time of Rutherford, the claiming that various things done by them, clapping a Resolution, or publishing an Article in their little (actually) read magazines etc. Rutherford claimed such things were a " Hammer Blow" to the World , or to other Religions, utter nonsense, and bullshit of the first order.

Even as an active believing JW I knew this, and used to laugh at such overblown, grandiose nonsense.

I think the motive for this, especially now, is to boost the JW Drones own sense of how important they are. Little do they know, nobody gives a S**T !!!

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"The Best Convention Ever" - 2020 starts today

by bats in the belfry in

dress up for the show.

... and now please be seated.

proudly presenting your 2020 convention program.. ... and, thank god, for the ff button on my player.

Phizzy

" This food was tainted with pretentious lies and commercialism to promote the proliferation of the literature the WTS published "

Now of course they are not promoting anything much they make a profit out of....... GOOD !

Of course, as well, they never miss an opportunity to remind JW's they can donate $$$$ by any method they like.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

Phizzy

I do not see the depositing of a dated, signed, witnessed Letter as wrong, or even not necessary, you may need it, if you never do, that is good.

It is still not a fool proof way of leaving, with no further action by Elders guaranteed. They can still claim, years later, that you Disassociated yourself, quite accurately, and then you have the Announcement, and the effect upon you is the same as if you had been DF'd.

But, who knows ? it may give you a number of options, especially one that would work even without the Letter, which is to say that if any Announcement is made, or any rumours spread, you will Sue the Elders for Defamation of Character, the threat, even if you are in fact in no position to Sue, may be enough to get them to back off.

I know of one guy who did this, an Elder told me had done it, and said " So there was nothing we could do".

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

Phizzy

" Back in reality, the story of the 'kings of the north and south' ends with Antiochus IV Epiphanes."

Exactly Jeffro, I know you have made an extensive Study of The Book Daniel, and that you have made excellent observations upon the the JW Org's huge error in calculating 1914. Respect Sir !

Daniel does make an attempt at Prophesying the death of Antiochus 1V, but he gets that wrong in detail, as he gets a number of things from History wrong, when he was supposedly writing about events contemporary to him ! Actually he was finishing his Book at around 164BCE when Antiochus 1V was actually dead, a fact that Daniel seems to be unaware of. If he was aware, he does not know the details !

All in all his Book, as well as not being written as a Prophesy stretching Centuries in to the future, was a bit of a failure !

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Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

by Atlantis in

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court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

https://docdro.id/axa555i.

petra!.

Phizzy

Freedom of Conscience and Thought includes Freedom FROM Religion !

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

Phizzy

" Jesus made a liar."

Or as Ray Franz put it, ( I paraphrase) " when you consider what the WT ( "Bible Students") under Rutherford was teaching in 1919, it is an insult to Jesus to say he chose them ".

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Scriptures they use to justify disfellowshipping

by Lynnie in

does someone have a list of the scriptures the jw's use to justify shunning and disfellowshipping?

i know there are only a few..

Phizzy

Anna-Marina said " Proper context - it helps."

That of course, is what the JW Org never does, it takes out of what was a personal Letter to one Congregation some words, and says they apply to all. It ignores the 1st century context of the N.T. It often ignores what the surrounding verses show the Writer actually meant, and so on. They do not like "Context".

The way to read and understand the Bible properly is to understand completely the Context, taking in to consideration the above mentioned points, and a number more.

They do not read the Scriptures with understanding, and do, undoubtedly twist the original Writer's meaning.

The other Scripture they love to use comes from one of the Letters of John, Chapter and verse escapes me, they love to use it in cases they label as "Apostasy", but the verses in question merely say that someone who has denied that Jesus is the Son of God counts as such, few people who leave J.W's claim that, at least in their early years of leaving. Again, misuse of Scripture.