Posts by Phizzy

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Thoughts on Sunning and blood Doctrines.

by Phizzy in

i have a couple of thoughts on the blood and shunning doctrines, both of which have been covered well before.

here, and on j.w facts.com and elsewhere.. but i would like to point out the following, the only scriptures they can use in reality for their blood doctrine are the verses from acts chapter 15. o.t verse are really out of the question, and dishonest to use on their part, as they do not follow most of the injunctions in there!.

the context of acts 15 is a council of the apostles and others in the jerusalem congregation, to decide what they should ask of gentile christians in the way of behaviours and practices etc, as jewish christians were demanding they comply with the mosaic law, or were, at the very least offended if they did not.

Phizzy

Thanks Rub, and to Slimboy, both of you noticed my Typo, so did others no doubt, just shows we all inherited imperfection from Adam I suppose !

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What the Heck are they talking about in todays meeting 7-19-20 Wife in full on cult mode

by goingthruthemotions in

so what the heck are they brainwashing today in the meeting or what ever.

she is in full on cult mode talking about the end of the world.

she asked me to listen to a couple of talks and i respectfully declined.

Phizzy

" What a relief to hear you say that."

My darling wife said much the same. Eventually. I just left Cold Turkey, no explanations to anybody, including Mrs Phizzy. She did not like the Meetings much, and hated F.S.

It was two or even three Weeks after I left before she asked " Are we never going back then ?".

I had intended a gentle, slow, Fade, but by that point had decided it would make me literally vomit to enter a K.H again, so I answered " No, we are not" She nodded, and asked nothing further then.

We gradually discussed the issue, over the subsequent Months, and indeed years. Until she said one day " No, I would never go back either". It took her longer to get over certain JW teachings and thoughts than me, and she certainly missed her "friends", and especially the children who she loved to see, talk to, and watch grow up.

I was lucky, I did not know how she would react, but, as a Lover of Truth my Conscience and Personal Integrity would not allow me to stay. Good luck all who are just about leaving !

I think the Hype around the "End" being so close is whipped up by the G.B, but even more so by the Rank and File Dubs. Every time over the years, when the hype has reached fever pitch, there has been a backlash, when it all dies down, Dubs slacken off, and many leave. The same will happen with this.

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Watchtower June 2020 Article, '' Return to Me''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | june 2020. .

study article 26.

6 who can share in the search for inactive ones?

Phizzy

I doubt they will bother with long term inactive ones, Elders are pretty lazy and lax about actual Pastoral work.

But watch out ! particularly if your fade is in the first two or three years. I did have two Elders call on me after I had been out about 8 years ! it must have been after an Article like this one, which would be about the right timing, the org regurgitates Articles every 4years or so.

One of these idiots said " The Governing Body have asked us to call on you", WHAAAT ! The G.B do not know me, or those Elders, what crap. The same guy, after I had explained to him that the Bible has no weight with me, insisted on reading a Scripture from some obscure book in the O.T, "Nahum" I think, that used the phrase " Return to Jehovah" to ME ! from the Old Testament ! from a book written to the Jews 2500 year ago, not to me or you !

It proved to me that the closed minds of Jehovah's Witnesses are incapable of processing what is said to them.

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Thoughts on Sunning and blood Doctrines.

by Phizzy in

i have a couple of thoughts on the blood and shunning doctrines, both of which have been covered well before.

here, and on j.w facts.com and elsewhere.. but i would like to point out the following, the only scriptures they can use in reality for their blood doctrine are the verses from acts chapter 15. o.t verse are really out of the question, and dishonest to use on their part, as they do not follow most of the injunctions in there!.

the context of acts 15 is a council of the apostles and others in the jerusalem congregation, to decide what they should ask of gentile christians in the way of behaviours and practices etc, as jewish christians were demanding they comply with the mosaic law, or were, at the very least offended if they did not.

Phizzy

Thanks T.D, you have made some excellent Posts on this subject in the past. And Earnest, I am well aware that the JW org quotes the Fictional Story of Noah, but, as I said, to pick the odd few verses out of the O.T and use them is dishonest, it is cherry picking, either take note of and live by ALL of the O,T, or none.

The writings of Paul make it plain that the O.T. Laws are "fulfilled" as he puts it, the only law Christians are under is " the law of the Christ".

Therefore we are back to them relying on Acts 15, and as Cofty's original Post on this makes plain, Link in his Post above, they have got that wrong.

They continue to shed Blood, take the lives of people, with a totally discredited Doctrine.

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France's Miviludes moved quietly

by yalbmert99 in

a real conspiracy to destroy anti-cult miviludes in france.. therefore, a question arises that burns the lips of all our interlocutors: who wants the skin of the miviludes?

"this disintegration of the fight against cults is carried by occult influences, at the highest level of the state.

the miviludes disturbs, "says georges fenech.

Phizzy

Thank you for all your great work over the years, The Andersons ! and thank you, yalbmer99, for the information you have given us. Very interesting.

I wonder how this will go ? is this another case of JW org shooting itself in the foot ? I hope so !

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No questions tolerated. Three self-appointed judges announce death sentence for crime.

by still wondering in

we sent this letter to all the elders after they decided that we deserved to die for asking questions that they either could not answer, despite their declared extensive knowledge of the scriptures, or else were too embarrassed to admit the answers.

needless to say we never received a reply or heard from them again.

i post this in the hope it may help others to come to terms with their situation.. “some months ago manny visited us.

Phizzy

Very accurate and timely warning Lets Think, they are damn sneaky with it too. I was 'phoned by one Elder ostensibly, I was not in, but the Ansafone system picked up, and I heard Elder 1 introduce just himself, and then another Elders voice , that I recognised , said " Ah, not in is he ?" . They were engaged upon trying to prove that I was an Apostate, had I been in, and picked up, I would have been under the impression I was talking only to Elder 1, but no, Elder 2 was there, listening in, to provide the " 2nd Witness". Bastards.

This was some time after I had actually left, and as the letter in the O.P says, where is the love ? I had left Cold Turkey, and all I ever got was two attempts, by the same two Elders actually, to get me on a charge of Apostasy. No real attempt to bring the Lost Sheep back to the Fold.

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Thoughts on Sunning and blood Doctrines.

by Phizzy in

i have a couple of thoughts on the blood and shunning doctrines, both of which have been covered well before.

here, and on j.w facts.com and elsewhere.. but i would like to point out the following, the only scriptures they can use in reality for their blood doctrine are the verses from acts chapter 15. o.t verse are really out of the question, and dishonest to use on their part, as they do not follow most of the injunctions in there!.

the context of acts 15 is a council of the apostles and others in the jerusalem congregation, to decide what they should ask of gentile christians in the way of behaviours and practices etc, as jewish christians were demanding they comply with the mosaic law, or were, at the very least offended if they did not.

Phizzy

I have a couple of thoughts on the blood and Shunning Doctrines, both of which have been covered well before. here, and on J.W facts.com and elsewhere.

But I would like to point out the following, the only Scriptures they can use in reality for their Blood Doctrine are the verses from Acts Chapter 15. O.T verse are really out of the question, and dishonest to use on their part, as they do not follow most of the injunctions in there!

The context of Acts 15 is a Council of The Apostles and others in the Jerusalem Congregation, to decide what they should ask of Gentile Christians in the way of behaviours and practices etc, as Jewish Christians were demanding they comply with the Mosaic Law, or were, at the very least offended if they did not. When they get to the matter of the use of Blood, it is purely on the matter of EATING Blood ! A Transfusion of Blood is NOT eating it ! You can administer as many transfusions as you like to a person, and if you give them no sustenance, they will starve to death. Context is everything, to read more in to these verses is a blatant, and in fact, murderous Twisting of Scripture.

On the matter of Shunning, DFing, DAing, and actual Shunning, again the context of the Scriptures they use, and indeed, some of the instructions therein, do not say what the J.W org says, or do, they Twist these verses too.

To impose beliefs and actions upon their members in this way, is both dishonest and immoral. It is also murderous, many deaths from the Blood thing, including many children, and a fearful number of suicides and broken people from the Shunning.

It is also, to impose these things in this way, an Abuse of the Legal Human Rights of the victims, as shown by the recent Court judgement in a Swiss Court.

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The Celestial Chariot seems to have a Flat Tyre

by Slidin Fast in

you of course remember the fabulous chariot charging about, eyes everywhere, wheels within wheels.

(elon musk be afraid).

yes, able to change direction instantly, react to any situation.

Phizzy

" Yes, Jehovah’s organization, like the almighty Sovereign in control of it, is supremely adaptable, responsive to the ever-changing situations and needs it must address." From the quote in the O.P.

This is a prime example of how the org. very like many Politicians, likes to rewrite History.

If you look at all the actions they have taken over the last 150 years or so, they have always been reactive, not proactive. The Chariot has always turned up late, often very late.

If the Oniscient far-seeing Almighty god were guiding them, you would think they would always be ahead of the game, but not once, in my memory were they ever ahead.

Bluse mentions the action they took over Corona virus, was it really on time even ? it was much like the actions of the U.K Government, Too Little, Too late.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

Phizzy

Thanks GFG, I was confused, not about the original idea, as outlined again in your Posts above, but confused about if someone wanted to use the Letter to make sure, if they were merely in fact secretly disassociating, to make sure no Announcement to that effect was made at any point in the future, so that they were fully free to associate with family and friends who were JW's, could the Letter be used, in conjunction with the Law, to achieve this ?

I think probably not, if the JW's wish to Announce it, then that is what will happen, no Law could easily be used to stop that.

But I think what I missed mainly, and you have made plainer, is that if The Letter is done, and nobody else, apart from the trusted person assigned to care for it, knows about it, then in reality you ARE free ! That is a wonderful feeling for your mental health, and feeling of self worth.

In my situation, not DA'd, there is always that feeling of having to "look over your shoulder" , careful what you say and do in the sight or hearing of J.W's. Once the letter is done, stuff 'em ! do and say what you like !

It may still work out that if you are threatened with DAing, then production of The Letter may stop them doing anything further, they may well think "What's the point?", but it depends upon circumstances, particularly what provoked in the "loving" Elders the desire to take action against you.

Another thought, if at some time a family member or members decided, without the Elders being involved, to have no association with you, if you showed them The Letter, what Scriptural reason (real one, not just interpretation) could they use for such action ? "Quit mixing with a Brother that..." or whatever it says won't work, you are not a spiritual brother or sister, not a Jehovah's Witness, such unilateral action by them would have little Scriptural basis in reality.

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Quit Quietly now more than ever

by gone for good in

the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

Phizzy

I think upon further reflection, and further research prompted by excellent points made in Posts above, my thanks to TD and others, that what I now refer to as "The Letter" LOL, has to be relied upon only as a Threat, one that in actual fact you would be ill advised to carry out by actually going to Court, at least here in the U.K.

Of course, you must assert to any Legal person signing or Witnessing it, whatever, that the threat is real, see Post above, or they will not agree to notarise it or sign it. As in reality you will not use it in Court, you could get it Witnessed by two people, not related to you, and it would still look good, and not cost you.

The Defamation of Character thing would depend for success on a Court interpreting that damage to your reputation is more important than the Defence of Truth, which I doubt.

I can see a problem too under the Human Rights Act 1998 for U.K Residents, this is a very arcane point, but one you may have to fight to establish in Court, and again, the Court may not see things your way. I will not spell it out here, as the JW Legal Attack Dogs may not have spotted it.

Again I stress, The Letter may deter Elders, for fear they will personally be Sued, but to actually go to Court , and lose, would do none of us any favours, and cost a huge amount.