Posts by Phizzy

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"extremism" -- What specifically did Russia ban Jehovah's Witnesses for?

by Pallbearer in

russia's reason for banning jehovah's witnesses is said to be due to extremism.

but what exactly does that mean, or refer to?

specifically, what practice (or practices) of jehovah's witnesses does russia consider to be extreme?

Phizzy

I looked up the specific Russian Law they were prosecuted under, and how it defined an Extremist Organisation. The JW Org TICKED EVERY BOX !

Without looking at it again, I cannot remember exactly what the criteria were, but I do recall the JW's fulfilled all of them. With our specialist knowledge of the JW Org we would say that the Law was being applied to them when in reality it need not be, but if that is felt to be the case by JW Org, not just "we should be exempt from Caesars Law", which will never wash, but if they feel the Law is wrongly applied, they must campaign for the Law to be more tightly written. I am sure the Law was brought in to catch Terrorist Orgs, and under pressure from the Russian Orthodox Church is being applied to JW's, but the ball is in the JW's Court. ( < nice pun !).

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A Salute to Petra/Atlantis

by Slidin Fast in

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whilst i have never quite understood whether petra and atlantis are one or multiple entities i recognise the value of their work and web of contacts.

i think it is fair to say that no-one has consistently contributed more solid gold intelligence to this site.

no one has reliably passed on more bomb shells and solid news as well as day to day minutiae.

Phizzy

Many an XJW thinks they are so very clever because they have woken up and left. They then do not work on their Education and their Personality, they often are more openly a big headed arsehole than when they were a JW. Mr O'Donnell seems to have fallen in to that category.

Atlantis and Petra, please be assured that a huge number of us appreciate all you have done, and hope continue to do, it is important and valuable work you both do.

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Yet More Apostate Damage Control

by neat blue dog in

unbelievable.

okay actually it's very believable.

check out the latest video on jwdotorg:.

Phizzy

" Whatever happened to be noble minded like the beroeans, test every inspired teaching and make sure of all things?!"

They excuse themselves by saying from one side of their mouth that they are not inspired, but from the other side of their mouth that they are Spirit directed and gods channel etc etc

The principle used by the Beroeans, Test everything is a wonderful one though, if only JW's did it ! Fact Checked everything on reliable Fact checking Sites . JW Facts.com is reliable, thoroughly.

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Rowan Atkinson calls for 'more speech'

by LoveUniHateExams in

this video is a few years old but is very timely considering the culture war that is raging in the uk, the us, and other western countries.. his argument is simple - he's calling for 'more speech' to counter bigoted speech and ideas, rather than shutting conversations down.. well worth a listen ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqdzlazygu.

Phizzy

There are more efforts now than ever to stop free speech, and to silence ANY criticism, we see this in all spheres now. I agree with Rowan !

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What useful piece of literature have the JW produced?

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

seeing on another post here about former jws throwing away literature.

i am curious as to the various opinions on there value.. for me i have been inactive for 3 years almost 4. i still have alot of books and of course all their bibles ever produced (except a few from the 1800s.).

in my opinion i think there are four books the jws produced that are useful:.

Phizzy

Thanks Petra ! I think I may have the 1990 edition, I will check when I can get to my old JW library, which is small, but my wife has made inaccessible while she "tidies up", I can take it they have not updated or replaced this book then, in which case they should be ashamed !

If someone could kindly confirm my assumptions, I may do a Thread on all that books faults, and lies etc !

I also assume it is not used at all in meetings as assigned material then ?

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RIP Diego Armando Maradona (1960-2020)

by LoveUniHateExams in

diego maradona apparently died yesterday, 11-25-2020, from a heart attack aged 60.. on the football pitch he was a genius, a footballer of outrageous talent.

btw i'm english, and like many of my compatriots, i remember how disgraceful his cheating was in the quarter finals of the 1986 world cup against england.

he clearly deliberately punched the football into the net, and that goal should not have been allowed.

Phizzy

I take nothing away from the total brilliance of Maradona, but that second goal was aided by some piss poor defending !

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The Security of Following Rules

by minimus in

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i think many people feel secure with an abundance of rules.

they enjoy being told what to do, how to think.

it makes them feel safe.

Phizzy

Enjoying true freedom of thought AND action is a joy. Of course, any freedom comes with responsibility, but I am happy with those rules, which boil down to " Don't use your freedom to be a Dick", simple, nothing more needs to be said !

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73 years old, a Witness for 48 years, an elder for 24 years, Baptized just before 1975. WOKE UP!

by pistolpete in

i thought i would post an encouraging experience i found today.

i've been seeing a lot of 70-80 year old jws waking up, and their children are posting their experience on reddit.

these are old elders, pioneers, circuit overseers who have given their everything and finally at the end of their life, are walking away.. maybe the key to waking up is that a person has to have a deep sense of right and wrong.

Phizzy

He sounds like a kindred spirit to me ! 1914 being bollocks is what woke me up too, but when I left I still believed in Big and Little J and in the Bible, as he does, at present. I was in my late 50's.

" -a good person no matter what age, has no choice but to follow their good conscience and LEAVE. Regardless of the Cost." true, pistolpete, my JW parents brought me up to be a Lover of Truth, ironic a ? and I left because of that conscience, not knowing the cost, I simply had no choice.

I am still a Lover of truth.

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Who's he kidding!?

by Lost in the fog in

i had to read this paragraph twice in case i'd misread it the first time.

who is he trying to kid!?

mr gomez says, "there's very little rules, if any, most of our conduct is governed by principles, and there's a lot of room for us to make personal choices.

Phizzy

A letter to the paper that may get published would be good from someone living in the Area. Be careful to stick to facts, make sure you explain Mr Gomez' two lies, if you do it.

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Who's he kidding!?

by Lost in the fog in

i had to read this paragraph twice in case i'd misread it the first time.

who is he trying to kid!?

mr gomez says, "there's very little rules, if any, most of our conduct is governed by principles, and there's a lot of room for us to make personal choices.

Phizzy

" "There's very little rules, if any, most of our conduct is governed by principles, and there's a lot of room for us to make personal choices." An Elder no doubt, or certainly a grad of the Ministry School as he has said, he knows this is a downright LIE !

I found this, which is also disingenuous " "It's absolutely personal whether you want to choose [to stay in the religion],"

Mr Gomez does not add that if you make the decision to leave the WHOLE of your JW family will Shun you ! A devastatingly evil and unloving thing to do, not Christian at all !