Posts by Phizzy

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JW's and deciding which PAGAN traditions to follow or not to follow. Merry Christmas all!!

by goingthruthemotions in

* first i would like to say.....i apologize to my son's everyday for getting them involved in this cult because i took so much from them as far as celebrating holidays go.

they are now 22 and 17 great kids.

they want nothing to do with the cult.

Phizzy

All Bible believers, Christian or not, operate a Pick and Mix approach to how they practice their religion. So, it is a case of you " Pays your money and takes your Choice" for them.

Very hypocritical, and VERY annoying when they try to impose some of the things they have decided to pick , upon others of us ! All the while they are ignoring the rest of what is commanded in their Holy books.

A good book on this is by a Jewish guy who tried to do what was in the Title , i. e. " A Year of Living Biblically", he really couldn't do it, but he consulted many religions on this, including JW's, and concluded NOBODY could live in the modern world and live Biblically !

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As a JW Were You or Someone you Knew Falsely Accused by Elders ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

thought i'd put this out there to see if you knew of people in the jehovah's witnesses who were falsely accused or mistreated by the " police " or elders in the congregation.

many times it's been by experiencing injustices that get us to get shaken out of our cult thinking mode and reality kicks in and the scales fall from our eyes that the wt society is just a man made organization whose leaders are no better than us - actually in many cases more unscrupulous and conniving than any of us would have ever been to each other !

i was falsely accused 2 times .

Phizzy

Funny, I remember this Thread ! I have not read all of it again, but I wanted to tell a quick story that I don't think I have told before ?? Not a false accusation though, a real one !

I was at an XJW Meetup and a young kid i knew told me that when he was still in he was hauled up in front of the Elders because of a huge boozy Party of young JW's he had attended, and a number stayed the night up on the floor of the House where he had bagged a bedroom. The Elders had established the couples who went up there, all unmarried, and asked him to tell them who had slept together.

He swore blind that the girls and boys had taken separate bedrooms. He said to me, " They didn't, they were at it all night". The elders accepted what he had said, and the kids got away with a night of passion. As he said to me " Where was the Holy Spirit to direct those Elders I fooled ?". Good point.

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Gma exvited

by Gma-return in

gma is excited.

i found out for christmas i'm going to be a great grandmother twice over.

granddaughters (sisters) are both expecting.

Phizzy

" there are some great guys and gals here " ........ there is the odd old crusty curmudgeon like me too !

Welcome ! grand children, and great grand children are SUCH utter joy ! and you feel a love for them like no other love, so very strong !

Enjoy them, love them, make sure they never join a Cult !

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Was Jesus Born on December 25th?

by Sea Breeze in

we were told by watchtower that no way jesus was born on dec. 25th.

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what do you think now?.

Phizzy

Jeffro has provided the definitive answers for this Thread, the Jesus Myth is exactly that, we have no facts to go on, the Gospels etc are all Fiction.

It may be fun to debate things about the Stories, as it is about Tolkien stories or whatever, but if you want Facts and Truth about the Historical Jesus, there are none, and I doubt there ever will be.

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Who was it who ''rescued'', or ''saved'' you?

by Beth Sarim in

from the borg?.

i point to none other than cal lehman and the towerwatch ministries.

towewatch.com.. the years following the collapse of the ussr and the 1995 generation left a bad taste in my mouth for a long time.

Phizzy

An Elder kind of provided the Straw that... you know, he promised to come back for a second "Shepherding" visit to prove to me that the 1914 Doctrine was in the Bible. He never returned.

I then went on to Greg Stafford's Site and found , FANTASTIC ! another JW, as he was at the time, who does not believe the 1914 rubbish ! I then researched some more, found MANY who had sussed LONG before me that 1914 was crap, and therefore the G.B were Charlatans, and one of them directed me to this Site !

I must say that members of this Site, REALLY saved me. I was contemplating suicide, would have done it too, had it all worked out, and a good number on here BEGGED me to seek Therapy. I did, and my Depression was put under control. Thank you ! from the very depths of my soul to those Posters, most of whom have moved on now. I would never have known my beautiful grand children, and never once in my life have experienced REAL happiness, if I had topped myself. Thank you Thank you !

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-0:6 negative growth 2020 service year

by Fadeaway1962 in

phttps://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=e&pub=syr20&srcid=share .

plus another increase in memorial partakes number etc .

Phizzy

I agree with the analysis of these figures on here, nothing to get overly excited about, and good reasons for poor figures, poor from the Org's perspective , not ours !

They will improve a bit on these figures, as Covid is beaten, and will no doubt put forward as a triumph the more dramatic of seeming improvements.

The fact is that the Org is moribund, it will shrink in size because of a number of factors, but I firmly believe it will be around for many decades yet. Its Business Model is a good one still, if less profitable than in the past.

It will be interesting to see the figures that come out in 2023 to get a better picture of what is really happening.

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Talking to a Jehovah`s Witness .Ask the right questions .

by smiddy3 in

what questions should be asked to a jehovah`s witness when confronted with them.. a jw gives his sermon.

"you" immediately ask him by what authority he has from god that you should take notice of him ,seeing their are over 40,000 different christian religions in the world who claim to represent god,.

jw.

Phizzy

The question posed in the opening Post is one I asked a number of JW's over the years. I had to add the word "unique" in front of the word Doctrine, or they would simply list things that other Christian groups teach, but it would be necessary for them to have at least one unique Doctrine then, that is still taught as truth today, for Jesus to choose that little band of Rutherfordites over far more suitable groups,

Of course, there is not one such Doctrine. I went through this whole argument with one Elder, and after it all he said " Well I think there is enough proof to satisfy me that Jesus chose the J.W's ( as he called them, a name that came later) in 1919". I asked what that proof was, and I won't bore you with the very weak argument he gave, but in the end I gave up.

I am sure that by asking the question of a good number over the years I have planted seeds, I hope so, but Logic, Reason, Facts and Truth do not matter to those Mind Controlled by the Cult.

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So What Religion do You Claim to be when Entering Hospital?

by mikronboy in

i've had a few medical procedures.

once, i had a massive loss of blood and needed 6 units of blood to replace the loss.

however, i'm curious as to what ex's state to be their religion when filling out the required paperwork when being admitted into a hospital.

Phizzy

No Religion.

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A GREAT Farside cartoon !

by Phizzy in

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Phizzy

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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Victims' advocates: Abuse not just a 'Catholic problem' [Advocates ask for an investigation like ARC]

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/victims-advocates-abuse-not-just-a-catholic-problem-20180625.html.

victims' advocates: abuse not just a 'catholic problem' .

by peter smith, pittsburgh post-gazette .

Phizzy

It strikes me that the JW Org is doing its usual thing of putting the $$$ before people, having calculated that merely losing Tax breaks is cheaper than paying just compensation, this has been pointed out before as the motive.

This lack of compassion and totally cold-hearted money grab may well come back to bite them badly on the Arse, they will generate far more International bad publicity by not joining the scheme, the idiots.