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  Netherlands: JWs prevail in Bethel raids and shunning cases

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this week, it was revealed that the organization had won, at least so far and partially, two significant cases.. first, the overijssel district court declared that many items seized during the 2018 bethel raids contain privileged information, which the public prosecution service no longer contests.

  this applies, in line with the supreme court judgement, to "all seized documents that, according to the complainants, fall under the right of non-disclosure ... and that contain information relating to information shared with elders in trust in the context of pastoral care, including information relating to the religious judicial committees"; apparently, 15 million electronic files the prosecution was unable to provide for judicial examination are also considered privileged.

  the documents have already been returned, their copies are to be destroyed until 1 november.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Corney , I guess "privileged" only in the sense of priest/penitent relationship. I am not sure how strong that is under Dutch Law, but here in the U.K there is no legal priest/penitent privilege of a special nature, that went with the Reformation. So anything pertinent in seized documents in the U.K could be used in a legal Prosecution.
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Phizzy

  Thanks for reviving this Thread van my boy. I think the O.P is spot on.

  I had an e-mail exchange with Stephen, Chalam, some years ago, he came over to me as a thoroughly nice guy, a real thinker, and a sincere Christian, sincere in that he practiced Christianity, not just believed, he "did".

  I hope he is well.
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  Was Jesus the Messiah circumcised ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. bible

  has this question ever been raised before by jehovah`s witnesses?

  and what`s the significance, if any ?.

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  Phizzy

  The question in the Title of the thread is not accurate, but that may be deliberate, in no way was Jesus of Nazareth a Messiah.

  The Historical Jesus, if he existed, would have been circumcised. Of course.

  But the other questions raised are valid if you believe the nonsense, the Mythology, about Yeshua of Nazareth.
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  Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  2. beliefs

  is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

  https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

  - (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

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  Phizzy

  "Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?"

  Yes, be it J.W org taking Genesis far too literally or 100 % Creationists even more so, both groups are Charlatans. They KNOW they are not promoting Truth.
  
  
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  Books-of-Titus-and-Philemon-Study-Edition-Now-Available-Online

  by Wonderment in

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  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/whats-new/books-of-titus-and-philemon-study-edition-now-available-online/.

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  Phizzy

  JW org showing their ignorance once again, Philemon is a genuine letter of Paul, Titus, along with 1st and 2nd Timothy, is not.
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  Martin Armstrong's latest book, 'The Plot to Seize Russia'

  by was a new boy in

  1. social
  2. current

  the 2015 documentary - 'the forecaster' was basically banned in usa.

  so martin leased a movie theater in cherry hill nj and showed it himself.. 'a german tv station funded the 2015 documentary on me entitled the forecaster.

  because it raised some of these issues back then, the film was banned in the united states as well as switzerland...'.

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  Phizzy

  I don't doubt he was unjustly treated by the Authorities, I do doubt his personal integrity, and his expertise.
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  Martin Armstrong's latest book, 'The Plot to Seize Russia'

  by was a new boy in

  1. social
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  the 2015 documentary - 'the forecaster' was basically banned in usa.

  so martin leased a movie theater in cherry hill nj and showed it himself.. 'a german tv station funded the 2015 documentary on me entitled the forecaster.

  because it raised some of these issues back then, the film was banned in the united states as well as switzerland...'.

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  Phizzy

  Read the WIKI Article on this guy, wow, a real Scam Artist with deep criminal qualities.
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  Transforming the Messiahs

  by Doug Mason in

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  my latest paper, titled: “transforming the messiahs: earthly monarchs and high priests to celestial liberators”, is currently available for comment and criticism at https://www.academia.edu/s/cc5695ac34?source=link .

  doug.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Doug. I have downloaded the Paper to read later.
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  C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  note this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?

  in a much smaller org ?.

  maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.

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  Phizzy

  Thank you Jan, for that inside information, and what a contrast to the J.W org !

  They fall woefully short on this, its almost as though they relish, and wish to keep, the title that some on here bestowed upon them years ago, the "Paedophile's Paradise".
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  C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  note this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?

  in a much smaller org ?.

  maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.

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  Phizzy

  www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/05/c-of-e-review-uncovers-400-new-cases-of-abuse?fbclid=IwAR2mBCNO5DULNcgIlsVYakGs4HLb9DgNtD8SQ

  Note this Report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. If J.W's in the U.K did a similar, thorough trawl of all Congregation Records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many Cases of Abuse would they uncover ? in a much smaller Org ?

  Maybe the File destruction that has gone on was to protect the org. and its £££ from a proper investigation such as this.

  Note too the Apology, and the things put in place to mitigate the harm done, by the C of E. Another contrast in attitude.