Posts by Phizzy

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Faded then apostate?
by Teddnzo in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?
Phizzy

IMHO it depends upon the BOE and their attitude, Apostasy is the BIG NO NO, I wouldn't get caught doing that, but carefully check their definition in the Elders Handbook.
I don't think in their minds seven years is long, and they view us as lifelong J.W's if we are merely "faded".
I spoke to an Elder last year, he was reminiscing, as we had known each other for many decades, I have been out far longer than you, and yet in the conversation he said to me : "You are a Jehovah's Witness" !! I am an Atheist/Humanist not some religious nut-job, but it shows how they think of us. There seems to be a slight danger of being D.F'd even two decades or more after you left.
Just be careful, there is no need to put yourself in their power, but there is no need to keep looking over your shoulder. I Vote, Donate Blood, Smoke and dress in a very Worldly way, I don'r care what they think. I live my life now as if I were never a J.W.
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Is JW.org going Broke?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
https://youtu.be/e6gh6w7v03y.
Phizzy

Weasel Words most times.
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So, What's Been Going On In Watchtower Land Since January 2023?
by JW GoneBad in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
so what's been going on in wt land since january 2023?.

recap and summary of events most jehovah’s witnesses are not aware of:.

1) pennsylvania attorney general statewide investigation of jehovah’s witness elders' child sex abuse cases.
Phizzy

" They live their happy life as usual. " Yes, happy in their Bubble of Ignorance.
Thank you JWGoneBad, for the above List, I was not aware of the telling accusation of CSA ! explains a lot that ! Wow ! The Elders will have to "investigate" , if they take no appropriate action, then expect another Court Case ! Ha Ha .
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One True Religion
by mrquik in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
is there one true religion?

applying jesus' identifying requirements, not one religion qualifies.

coming close doesn't count.
Phizzy

No Religion can be true. Truth is only established upon irrefutable Facts and Evidence, no Religion has, or will ever, have that.
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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?
by TxNVSue2023 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.
Phizzy

No Religion can be true. Truth is only established upon irrefutable Facts and Evidence, no Religion has, or will ever, have that.
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John 8:1-11
by TxNVSue2023 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this passage of scripture is not on my jw bible app ( the study edition or nwt).

does anyone know why it was taken out?..
Phizzy

The problem with this argument, about it not being in the earliest MSS, is that if you start taking out later additions and interpolations to the Gospel of John, where do you stop ?
I do wonder if the Org's motive is not purity or accuracy, but the same as that of those in the early Church who objected to the Pericope, because it challenged their misogynistic and paternalistic attitude to women, and their legalistic preferences. *
Scholars have highlighted many such changes as above, including the position of some verses as we now have them, and of course, the well known later addition by another hand, of Chapter 21, why do the Org. include that ?
The Gospel of John is somewhat of a mess, and should be looked upon as an uncompleted work in progress.
* That is the reason I rather like the story !
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Are we living in the LAST DAYS?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
are we living in the prophetic last days that will climax into armageddon?

if this is true then how long should it take?

as jw saw it, wt compared timing to within a generation using 70 ad as a parallel.
Phizzy

The Last Days in all the Bible predictions were supposed to have happened shortly after the time of Writing, those predictions ALL failed !
We cannot expect other features of failed prophecies to be fulfilled now or later.
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Growing up as a child in Closed High-Demand Groups
by LostintheFog1999 in
1. social
2. family
i came across this fascinating article and thought it was worth sharing it with you.

i grew up in that religion so a lot of it struck a chord with me.. https://www.spiritualabuseresources.com/articles/born-or-raised-in-closed-high-demand-groups-developmental-considerations.
Phizzy

You may have to e-mail them ?
[email protected]
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Do You Think Trump Is Done?
by minimus in
1. jw
2. friends
certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

is trump’s goose cooked?
Phizzy

Trump is done. Even loony Republicans will not select a convicted Traitor.
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
Phizzy

My father always thought it disgusting and wrong that they were virtually worshipped by some, so did I ! I remember Knorr coming to London when I was a young kid, and giving a Talk, a bit of an unscheduled one IIRC, and there was overly long applause when he took to the Platform, before he spoke one word ! Father did not clap AT ALL !
What my father thought in later years, with the Direct Worship of the G.B, he never said, but as person he never changed his mind more than once or twice in his life, about anything.