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  FDS 1919 Declaration Date

  by NotFormer in

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  did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

  such as some calculation attached to 1914?

  that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

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  Phizzy

  "Please read '' The Gentile Times Reconsidered'' by Carl Olaf Jonson.*

  It puts the WT theology of 607 BCE,,,to bed."

  A contributor on here Jeffro had a Web Page that was very easy to understand, plus a good number of Threads and comments on here.

  It is vital to appreciate the error and nonsense of 607 BCE, as then the whole Tower of Lies falls, like a House of Cards.

  No 1914 = no 1919 "choosing" = Today's G.B are self-appointed Charlatans ! Which means their opinions on anything are just that, the opinions of deluded fraudsters.

  * When I was just "waking up" I used to long for 1914 to be totally debunked, I was shocked to read C.O.Jonson's Letter to the Org. from before he wrote his Book, explaining the 1914 error in such detail they could not mistake the import of what he said, I thought to myself "They knew all along it was wrong ! They still know, but carry on conning the J.W's and the Public ! What Liars !".
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  Fancy Dancer....JTB's Death

  by peacefulpete in

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  it might surprise some to find that john the baptizer's (jtb) death is described a number of ways in the traditions of the gospels, josephus and the mandeans (jewish gnostic sect that followed jtb).

  first g.mark says john was reluctantly killed soon after he baptizes jesus by "herod".

  this herod is described mark 6:.

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  Phizzy

  JTB has always been a figure who interested me immensely, even when I was a believing J.W, I found him mysterious, other-worldly.

  As you rightly say, confusing ! a number of Scholars rely too much on the Gospel and other N.T. info, not only with JTB, but with things like dating events.

  I wonder if JTB has become so entwined in pre-first Century expectational Myth to unravel who he was, and when he lived ?
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  Where is everyone? 😆

  by MissDaSilva in

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  i had a day off today and needed to get some errands done in my local town.

  2 carts have allocated here but i never ever see anyone out, even on very nice days.

  70% of the congregation don’t work.

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  Phizzy

  I was astounded they made this move, no more hours to report for most J.W's, but it moves even further away the legal liability of J.W's being Agents of the Org.

  But it may hasten the demise of the Org. What incentive is there to try to make converts in any real way ? what incentive for young men to "reach out" ? and how do they signal they are doing so ?

  May the Org. wither and die soon.
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  Nobody else understands

  by ElderBerry in

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  if you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.

  i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.

  now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..

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  Phizzy

  I was never truly happy until I ceased to believe. The adjustment period was hard, and as the Thread Title says, nobody understands if they have not left a lifetime of Indoctrination.

  I found that researching, properly Fact Checking, and using Critical Thinking Skills enabled me to eradicate any vestige of Indoctrination.

  There then followed a lot of time spent coming to terms with my mortality and other things, but I ended up a very, truly, Happy Humanist Atheist.
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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  Phizzy

  " Other things they can change but not this, if they were wrong about 1914 they everything else with fall apart."

  Exactly, the Doctrine is the very Foundation of the religion, take that away, and their "building" really is "built upon sand".

  They will continue shackled to the 1914 utter nonsense, but will rarely mention the actual year, and will just present what they have always said as surrounding that year as a "given".

  They are on dodgy ground indeed, more young people these days are less likely to accept at face value a "given".
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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

  1. watchtower
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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  Phizzy

  If they drop 1914, then there was no 1918/19 choosing of an FDS by Jesus, which means the G.B of today have no authority.

  No 1914 = no "Choosing" = Today's G.B. are self-appointed Charlatans.
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  Gods on Paper and Stage

  by peacefulpete in

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  were the works of homer, aeschylus, sophocles, etc.

  acting blasphemously when creating their works of fiction because they included the gods in the stories?

  when homer placed dialog into athena's mouth, was he wrong to use his creativity to make her come alive for an audience?

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  Gods on Paper and Stage

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  were the works of homer, aeschylus, sophocles, etc.

  acting blasphemously when creating their works of fiction because they included the gods in the stories?

  when homer placed dialog into athena's mouth, was he wrong to use his creativity to make her come alive for an audience?

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  Phizzy

  I think those Greek Thinkers were ahead of their time, the ones looking for a less "material" view of gods. Prior to them, and ever after, the Anthropomorphising of gods went on.

  The gods and goddesses who came to Israel via Canaan and ultimately Sumer, were VERY human in their actions, having huge Banquets, Drinking Parties, and of course having copious sexual encounters and unions, the god El being particularly randy with two goddesses at one time !

  Christians today cannot manage, no matter how they try, not to anthropomorphise their god at least in some way, but the N.T does , "Revelation" talking of god's "Hand" etc.

  I think the gods are far more appealing as characters when we envisage them as supernatural beings, but being very human in so many ways, even YHWH is a much more sympathetic character when we think of him being in Love, albeit with Israel, or being saddened, or enjoying a good meal of sacrificed meat and so on.

  Therefore I can see the difficulty that those who advocate for a more mystical version of god, we puny humans cannot stop thinking of our gods, and depicting them in Art, as very human in most ways.
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  Hindsight is 20/20 and Bizarre at Best

  by jwundubbed in

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  when i was a kid, living in quakertown pa, i tried to play with the kids in the neighborhood.

  it was a new and small neighborhood with just a handful of kids, but they were all in my generation.

  one day the boy across the street comes up to me and two girls from down the street and tells us he just got a ouija board and we should all play.

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  Phizzy

  " It's just so weird, sometimes, to see how bizarre our thoughts and behaviors are in hindsight."

  It certainly is ! as I look back at the person I was as a believing J.W.

  Just the other day I did this, and it kind of shocked me that I DID actually believe a lot of the nonsense, never all of it, but it was like looking at someone else, a stranger, and a weird deluded Believer.
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  Museum Pic

  by peacefulpete in

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  a lot of ink has been spilled on the topic of the cross.

  the wt felt it had uncovered some deep conspiracy when they found a number of words were used to describe how jesus was understood to have been killed.

  there was an extensive thread many years ago that in short strongly supports the conclusion that at least some nt writers envisioned a cross, while others had a tree in mind.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks PP for the Thread, and particularly your post above, that is a very clearly and well expressed summation of what happened.

  We of course cannot know what was in the minds of the Gospel Writers, but I think your analogy of the "Left Behind" Books is a good one, and really fits what I imagine the Writer of "Mark" did, he wrote a Novel, then "Luke" and "Matthew" added to it, perhaps in their minds their Works being more the writing of a Gospel.